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Old November 12th, 2012, 07:44 AM   #1
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Default Ben Hibon,Borderlands,Codehunters,animosity and potential plagiarism.

I am shamelessly copy pasting this from the gearbox talk page.
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Before i continue,let me say that i really like the Borderlands series.
With a bit more refinement it can be an immense powerhouse in the industry.


Now with that said,lets talk about the relationship between Ben Hibon and Gearbox.

As many already know Codehunters,a short CGI film made back in 2006


was apparently an inspiration for the 11nth hour change in the overall look of the game.
Now obviously this isnt anything new to anyone who read that old Kotaku article on the subject http://kotaku.com/5444016/separated-...nd-codehunters

It isnt hard to see how alike both Codehunters and Borderlands look.
Even alot of the motifs are similar to the openings of both games.
Train explosion,bus etc etc.

But what new evidence has been brought up is that Ben Hibon,the lead director on Codehunters,was actually contacted by Gearbox to do some cutscenes for a project but was told that the work was scrapped.
Lo and behold,the next time the game resurfaces,it uses the exact same artstyle as Gibons work..with no show of actual credit.
So justifiably he gets pissed as all hell.

Whatever issue between Gearbox and Hibon have still hasnt been resolved and Hibon has clearly shown an contempt towards the games and Gearbox itself

https://twitter.com/BenHibon/status/249431721395757056
https://twitter.com/BenHibon/status/249227627276140547
https://twitter.com/BenHibon/status/8274561982
https://twitter.com/BenHibon/status/145093351853670400

Now Gearbox,i ask of you.
Please attempt to get into contact with Ben Hibon and try to resolve whatever dispute there is.

There is no reason why there should be continued animosity.
Try to get into contact with him as was the case with Olly Moss and have him be a creative force for the company.
I can only hope this gets a response from one of the higher ups like Pitchford,Jeramy Cooke or even Brian Martel and isnt swept under the carpet,because this is a genuine issue.

Also whatever may or may not spring from this thread i only ask for everyone to be civil.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 07:55 AM   #2
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Default Re: Ben Hibon,Borderlands,Codehunters,animosity and potential plagiarism.

This was a BL1 issue, and if it's not resolved yet... I doubt it will be.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 07:58 AM   #3
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Default Re: Ben Hibon,Borderlands,Codehunters,animosity and potential plagiarism.

I remember seeing a thread about this a while ago, before BL2s release. Similarities were noted, art style, setting etc It's definitely influential. Didn't know Hibson had done (scrapped) work for GBX. I don't think they'll ever come to a resolution, GBX, not in a way that would make both parties happy.

Think of it this way, IF GBX were to ever admit to such a thing, Hibson would ask for royalties/sue, which would amount to a massive amount of money. Not going to happen. Ever. IF it's true.
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I understand that this is something brought up during the original game but the fact that Hibon was actually under the companys creative process for a while is a new issue.

I only wish for co operation between the two parties and for credit to be given where its due.
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The only people who will benefit from this are the lawyers.
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The only people who will benefit from this are the lawyers.
Only if it ever came to that.
Hibon hasnt acted in any sort of legal manner even though he very easily could have done so years ago.
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If an art style can be "stolen" (as stated in one of the tweets) would we even have anything to play ever?

Is an artistic style even copy writable?
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If an art style can be "stolen" (as stated in one of the tweets) would we even have anything to play ever?

Is an artistic style even copy writable?
It isnt.
Its like saying that "Dungeons and Dragons ripped off LOTRO".
Or "Akira ripped off Blade Runner"

But it is curious when the director of a film that whose peculiar style is almost an exact copy of the game,is hired by gearbox for a project,only to be told that its dropped then suddenly the game resurfaces with the exact same art style he used.
Thats when things get shady.

It would be a non issue if Hibon wasnt associated with Gearbox at any point but seeing that he was...well things get pretty shady there.
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If an art style can be "stolen" (as stated in one of the tweets) would we even have anything to play ever?

Is an artistic style even copy writable?
I seriously doubt it. Then again, if you had told me two years ago that the Supreme Court of the US would allow corporations to coerce citizens to surrender their legal right to sue them, I would have laughed in your face.
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I'm not saying that Hibon shouldn't be credited, if in fact he was an inspiration/helped in anyway he should be.

I just didn't think he had any real legal ground.
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