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Old December 18th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #1
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Default Ruin vs Scorn

So which one is more useful? Im partial to the cataclysm tree because of reaper m but im more co-op and have been building down the harmony tree. Avoiding life tap tho. Just doesnt seen useful to me.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #2
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They each have their own uses. Strictly speaking, I think Ruin is better than Scorn.

But Scorn lets you slag enemies and still have Phaselock. You also have to factor in the trees to get down to those skills. Cataclysm gives you some damage, and has Reaper, but Harmony has Restoration, Wreck, Res, and Life Tap.

Oh, BTW, Life Tap is really really good. Once you get a kill you'll almost refill your health entirely with just a few shots on the next enemy. I used to think Life Tap was bad myself, but truth was, I just wasn't paying attention very well to how much it healed me.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 04:22 PM   #3
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Heres my problem, I use a legendary siren mod with 40% cool down, a 50% health relic and the moxxi good touch and bad touch. Then I use a evolution shield so regaining health isnt a concern.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 04:34 PM   #4
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It is truly up to you which you prefer. If you still want to be support, you can get Sweet Release, Restoration, and Res, and still go down the Cataclysm tree and get Ruin.

The only other thing I can say is to try both builds out.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 04:48 PM   #5
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The way you play yes, ruin is better. But if you play co-op support scorn really shines. With a nurse/ matriarch COM you and your allies will always be at full health, and if someone still happens to go down you can res them instantly, BUT you still have a slag power you can use on enemies. If there's two things your allies will love (besides loot), it's not dying and killing hordes in the blink of an eye.

In short: solo ruin, co-op scorn

Side note though: life tap is as awesome as 1114 says. There's a build out there that I wish I could find, but its essentially consists of life tap + kinetic reflection, with a trickster COM, orphan maker and flame of the fire hawk. The results are devastating.

Edit: found the build.

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Old December 18th, 2012, 05:18 PM   #6
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Thank you. Looks like a fun build. Im just trying to get away from relying on reaper so much.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 05:29 PM   #7
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Here's my preferred Scorn build.
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I like this build a lot, especially with a Matriarch Com. It's very tanky, especially with a Vitality relic. Damage is solid, and pretty good when you have Phaselock going on account of Wreck. When Phaselock is down you can use Scorn to slag everything and deal double damage that way. There's a point left over you can put wherever you want. Quicken is good, but so are most other talents.

Anyways, just my 2 cents on a Scorn build.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 05:34 PM   #8
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It is truly up to you which you prefer. If you still want to be support, you can get Sweet Release, Restoration, and Res, and still go down the Cataclysm tree and get Ruin.

The only other thing I can say is to try both builds out.
This is the exact build im using
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Old December 18th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #9
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If I wasn't using splash damage primarily (Norfleet) and restoration wasn't bugged I would be using:

http://www.bl2skills.com/siren.html#...00001555013501

Otherwise the only difference is points from restoration to wreck.

Could also dump more points into Flicker and sacrifice the crappy skills like Immolate.

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Old December 18th, 2012, 09:42 PM   #10
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I use ruin, love it. But I also went down middle tree to res.
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