A few findings about constructors and saturn

Borderlands 2 Loot and Weapons
#21

I’m sure it doesn’t ‘read’ the elemental multiplier which is 99% proof.

But I am in the process of doing ‘numeric’ tests. THE PROBLEM with doing DOT tests is that Unlike gun/grenade/ability damage DOT damage is NOT consistent/predictable/repeatable … so being able to see each individual damage tick doesn’t help as much as I would’ve hoped. Not even the total damage inflicted by the ‘same’ single shot DOT isn’t the same value between 2 separate DOT activations… The fact the game ‘rounds’ damage before application to ‘rounder’ values doesn’t help things…(source of compound errors in this instance)

Will move further tests on this matter to a new thread …

2 electric DOTs fired by Vladoff SR - notice the inconsistencies 

17661.7 /s electric DOT damage on weapon card 
17661.7 * 2 = 35323.4 


# Normal Hit = 72412.85156; using           Droog; Scaled Base Gun Damage (CARD) = 72412.85156 ; Sum of Additive Gun Damage Multiplier    0.00000 (beware AMP SHIELD)  
# Damage Type =      ELECTRIC ; ElementalMul = 1.00000; ( GrenadeMul = 1.00000 ); address =   46F78C18 
        968  7558974.500 Max   7486193.000 Cur  7558606.000 Prev    72413.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2378296 
# Chance to trigger effect 1.0000 * 15.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.5000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 = 0.2250  
        329  7558974.500 Max   7505850.500 Cur  7511833.000 Prev     5982.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2378625 
        312  7558974.500 Max   7525639.000 Cur  7531490.500 Prev     5851.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2378937 
        344  7558974.500 Max   7546556.000 Cur  7552561.000 Prev     6005.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2379281 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7553100.000 Cur  7558974.500 Prev     5874.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2379609 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7552946.500 Cur  7558974.500 Prev     6028.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2379937 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7553077.500 Cur  7558974.500 Prev     5897.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2380265 
         16  7558974.500 Max   7554006.500 Cur  7554359.500 Prev      353.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2380281 

2380281 - 2378296 = 1985 // DOt lasted ~2s

Total DOT damage ( NO skills ; no COM ; no BAR )
 = 5982.5 + 5851.5 + 6005 + 5874.5 + 6028.0 + 5897.0 + 353.0 = 35991.5 // somewhat in the neighborhood sadly BUT NOT PRECISE MATCH/MATH


repeat in same conditions

# Normal Hit = 72412.85156; using           Droog; Scaled Base Gun Damage (CARD) = 72412.85156 ; Sum of Additive Gun Damage Multiplier    0.00000 (beware AMP SHIELD)  
# Damage Type =      ELECTRIC ; ElementalMul = 1.00000; ( GrenadeMul = 1.00000 ); address =   46F78C18 
        703  7558974.500 Max   7470604.500 Cur  7543017.500 Prev    72413.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2819609 
# Chance to trigger effect 1.0000 * 15.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.5000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 = 0.2250  
        328  7558974.500 Max   7490314.500 Cur  7496311.500 Prev     5997.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2819937 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7510088.000 Cur  7515954.500 Prev     5866.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2820265 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7530990.000 Cur  7537010.500 Prev     6020.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2820593 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7550740.500 Cur  7556630.000 Prev     5889.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2820921 
        344  7558974.500 Max   7552931.000 Cur  7558974.500 Prev     6043.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2821265 
        313  7558974.500 Max   7553062.000 Cur  7558974.500 Prev     5912.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2821578 
         15  7558974.500 Max   7553991.000 Cur  7554344.000 Prev      353.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         2821593 

Total DOT damage ( NO skills ; no COM ; no BAR )
5997.0 + 5866.5 + 6020.5 + 5889.5 + 6043.5 + 5912.5 + 353.0 = 36082.5
// different damage per tick and different total - not huge variation but NOT SAME


Unlike gun/grenade/ability damage DOT damage is NOT consistent/predictable/repeatable .. 
This makes testing DOT damage related skills/factors A BITCH ...
#22 

ADDED  17.8 % shock damage elemental relic

# Normal Hit = 72412.85156; using           Droog; Scaled Base Gun Damage (CARD) = 72412.85156 ; Sum of Additive Gun Damage Multiplier    0.00000 (beware AMP SHIELD)  
# Damage Type =      ELECTRIC ; ElementalMul = 1.17800; ( GrenadeMul = 1.00000 ); address =   46F78C18 
        672  7558974.500 Max   7414601.000 Cur  7499903.500 Prev    85302.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         3680781 
# Chance to trigger effect 1.0000 * 15.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.5000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 = 0.2250  
        312  7558974.500 Max   7433194.000 Cur  7440241.000 Prev     7047.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         3681093 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7451941.000 Cur  7458834.000 Prev     6893.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         3681421 
        329  7558974.500 Max   7471789.000 Cur  7478863.000 Prev     7074.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         3681750 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7490509.000 Cur  7497429.000 Prev     6920.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         3682078 
        343  7558974.500 Max   7510330.000 Cur  7517431.000 Prev     7101.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         3682421 
        313  7558974.500 Max   7529023.500 Cur  7535970.500 Prev     6947.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         3682734 
         16  7558974.500 Max   7529889.500 Cur  7530305.500 Prev      416.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         3682750

CRAP the numbers are visibly higher !!! I WAS WRONG while being technically correct

Total DOT damage ( NO skills ; no COM ; no BAR; 17.8 % shock damage elemental relic )
7047.0 + 6893.0 + 7074.0 + 6920.0 + 7101.0 +  6947.0 +  416.0 = 42398

17661.7 * 2 * 1.178 = 41610.9652 //
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Borderlands 2 Formula for the Roll to apply Elemental Effect (WIP)
#23

What’s interesting is that when a character already buffs DoT damage (Krieg for example with BBB buffing burn damage), the buff from the Bone is proportionately less than an unbuffed DoT. Makes me think that DoT damage is on the same side of the multiplier as elemental damage, just restricted to DoTs (so the bone is “additive” to DoT damage).

Of course this is something that requires more testing and not all DoT damage might even operate on the same formula so :rofl:

#24

There are separate multipliers for Shock / Electrocute (electrocute gun/grenade/etc damage and shock is the DOT ). A bone/elemental relic might boost both stats… So the elemental multiplier might still not apply to DOTs … But then again what other sources of elemental multipliers are there in Borderlands 2 ? Wires don’t talk ? - IT specifically states it boosts BOTH shock and electrocute …

I focused only on displaying in my ‘char stats’ the elemental multiplier not the ones for the DOTs. This mistake was probably avoidable if I bothered displaying the DOT multipliers as well - and noticed ‘on the fly’ (COMs / skills / …) what makes those values change …
Excuse for laziness voided :slight_smile: …

BTW this has gone so far off topic :frowning:

#25

Wrong lazy right again

(DESPITE THE LYING UI stating Shock) The elemental relic I used does add its value to BOTH electrocute (elemental multiplier) AND ( shock DOT). Separate parameters. So while I was technically correct that the elemental multiplier isn’t used for the DOT damage calculation, the relic which provided a bonus to the elemental multiplier ALSO (shady BASTARD !!) provides the same amount of bonus to the DOT damage multiplier .

"Shock Damage +18% " Increases all damage done with a specific damage type

The test was equipping a Peppy zapper COM which added 0.262799978 (“26% electrocute Damage”) to the DOT damage multiplier and then equipping the (18% Shock elemental relic) witch added 0.177999973 TO BOTH shock elemental multiplier and to the electrocute DOT multiplier .

So with both the Zapper COM and shock elemental relic the electrocute DOT multiplier jumped to
1.440799952

Interesting thing BAR on -off did not alter this multiplier so …BAR elemental damage MIGHT/LIKELY multiplies this value …Can’t say with certitude since DOT math is sadly inconsistent …

Added 5 + 4 wires don’t talk skill points and this jumps to
1.710799932 (gained +0.27 from 9/5 wires don’t talk)

same single shot DOT with both zapper com and elemental relic NO BAR 

# Normal Hit = 72412.85156; using           Droog; Scaled Base Gun Damage (CARD) = 72412.85156 ; Sum of Additive Gun Damage Multiplier    0.00000 (beware AMP SHIELD)  
# Damage Type =      ELECTRIC ; ElementalMul = 1.17800; ( GrenadeMul = 1.00000 ); address =   46F78C18 
        797  7558974.500 Max   7452469.500 Cur  7537772.000 Prev    85302.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7092937 
# Chance to trigger effect 1.0000 * 15.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.5000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.2528 * 1.0000 = 0.2819  
        328  7558974.500 Max   7469501.500 Cur  7478126.000 Prev     8624.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7093265 
        313  7558974.500 Max   7486705.500 Cur  7495141.500 Prev     8436.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7093578 
        343  7558974.500 Max   7504970.000 Cur  7513627.500 Prev     8657.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7093921 
        329  7558974.500 Max   7522141.500 Cur  7530610.500 Prev     8469.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7094250 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7540372.500 Cur  7549063.500 Prev     8691.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7094578 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7550472.000 Cur  7558974.500 Prev     8502.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7094906 
         15  7558974.500 Max   7551245.000 Cur  7551754.000 Prev      509.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7094921

Total Damage inflicted by the DOT
8624.5+ 8436.0 + 8657.5 + 8469.0 + 8691.0 + 8502.5 + 509.0 = 51889.5

17661.7 * 2 * 1.440799952 = 50893.9530245 // close enough ?

same single shot DOT with both zapper com and elemental relic BAR ON 
# Normal Hit 
= 82155.52344; using           Droog; Scaled Base Gun Damage (CARD) = 72412.85156 ; Sum of Additive Gun Damage Multiplier    0.13454 (beware AMP SHIELD)  
# Damage Type =      ELECTRIC ; ElementalMul = 1.17800; ( GrenadeMul = 1.13768 ); address =   46F78C18 
       1047  7558974.500 Max   7399330.500 Cur  7496109.500 Prev    96779.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7007609 
# Chance to trigger effect 1.0000 * 15.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.1345 * 1.5000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.2528 * 1.0000 = 0.3198  
        328  7558974.500 Max   7415384.000 Cur  7425229.000 Prev     9845.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7007937 
        313  7558974.500 Max   7431392.000 Cur  7441024.000 Prev     9632.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7008250 
        343  7558974.500 Max   7448431.500 Cur  7458314.000 Prev     9882.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7008593 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7464402.500 Cur  7474072.000 Prev     9669.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7008921 
        329  7558974.500 Max   7481404.500 Cur  7491325.000 Prev     9920.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7009250 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7497337.500 Cur  7507044.500 Prev     9707.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7009578 
         15  7558974.500 Max   7498043.500 Cur  7498619.500 Prev      576.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         7009593

Total inflicted DOT damage
9845.0 + 9632.0 + 9882.5 + 9669.5 + 9920.5 + 9707.000 + 576.0 = 59232.5

BAR elemental damage 0.131377578

17661.7 * 2 * 1.440799952 * 1.131377578 = 57580.2773077 // the multiplication from BAR closer to actual result BUT FAR :frowning:
17661.7 * 2 * (1.440799952 + 0.131377578) = 55534.6557 // even further from truth

same single shot DOT with both zapper com and elemental relic, BAR ON, wires 9/5 
# Damage Type =      ELECTRIC ; ElementalMul = 1.44800; ( GrenadeMul = 1.13768 ); address =   46F78C18 
     138203  7558974.500 Max   7440013.500 Cur  7558974.500 Prev   118961.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         8462906 
# Chance to trigger effect 1.0000 * 15.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.1345 * 1.5000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.0000 * 1.6528 * 1.0000 = 0.4219  
        312  7558974.500 Max   7454223.000 Cur  7465914.000 Prev    11691.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         8463218 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7468425.500 Cur  7479863.000 Prev    11437.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         8463546 
        329  7558974.500 Max   7483612.000 Cur  7495347.500 Prev    11735.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         8463875 
        328  7558974.500 Max   7497770.000 Cur  7509252.000 Prev    11482.000 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         8464203 
        343  7558974.500 Max   7512912.000 Cur  7524692.500 Prev    11780.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         8464546 
        329  7558974.500 Max   7527025.500 Cur  7538553.000 Prev    11527.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         8464875 
          0  7558974.500 Max   7527624.000 Cur  7528307.500 Prev      683.500 Damage   47016B98 baseaddress            Psycho vsHealthOrArmor         8464875

total DOT damage
11691.0 + 11437.5 + 11735.5 + 11482.0 + 11780.5 + 11527.5 + 683.5 = 70337.5

17661.7 * 2 * 1.710799932 * 1.131377578 = 68370.5842479

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#26

No, this guide is misleading. Saturn and Constructors resist grenade damage, not splash damage. That’s the only reason why they resist grenade splash damage specifically.