I agree that this should be addressed one way or the other. Either add the crit damage, or remove it from the desciption. This is an issue that should have been dealt with my now.
I also agree on Critical Ascension. Sniper ammo is too low for the way it functions. By the time you get enough to make a difference, you’re pretty much out of ammo. And it decays anyway, it shouldn’t all be lost instantly. We should be able to switch to other weapons. We should be able to access vendors and our menus. Yes, it should decay while doing that, but not all lost instantly.
Could you imagine if CA stacks were like Anarchy and didn’t decay unless you switched to a non-sniper or went in a vendor!? It would be soooooo broken, but sooooo awesome! (in Gaige’s singing voice, of course)
There are exploits to “break” CA anyway with the lower level snipers to stack it, I think it would be better if it worked like anarchy as you suggest, but again, no patches likely to be forthcoming and I doubt this is something they’d look at anyway. Fixing the Deception bonus to be what it says in the description, that’s the stuff patches are supposed to fix and I thought it was fixed in the last hotfix/patch… apparently not according to the OP which is disappointing.
Yep I use a white lv. 7 Droog to stack when I’m farming Voracidous with Zer0, although the exploit part is probably getting the Gallant Scaylion stuck so I can stack easily.
Unlikely, but they definitely should give us our crit bonus.
First of all thank you all for participating, i appreciate that
Second i think its very demoralizing that gbx will probably leave such a great game with an ACTION SKILL bugged, it always seemed as if zero is the least of their priorities, i could go on for ages about how he is wronged in game and enemy design especially in DLCs like tiny tinas ,hammerlock and op8 etc…
Maya is now the perfect 1 shot sniper in op8 , she out performs zero if he doesnt use CA which is a drag really, even with 30 stacks i barely notice any practical change in performance, non slagged enemies still require multiple crit hits to finish off so it doesnt really matter if u do extra damage with your first hit as long as it still requires a second one to finish the job
Maya on the other hand not only outperforms zero’s non CA hit but also slags everything super easy even without any dedicated slag gear using her phaselock (even without scorn) so i believe zero really needs the listed and intended crit boost on deception to work, other characters out perform his sniping if he doesnt invest MASSIVE skill into maintaining fragile stacks
That said, any solution to this embarrassing issue is welcome, its really stupid and sends a bad message and is the reason i worry for bl3, gbx clearly has issues balancing and maintaining their current stuff, so adding new gameplay elements will mean that BL3 will be a bugfest and glitch festival even more than BL2
Sniper zero has been wronged the most out of any character play style, you cant snipe ANYTHING in tiny tinas dlc, or hammerlocks hunt due to stupid helmets\masks\weirdly placed crit spots. he loses to maya on non CA sniping and has to rely on a very demanding skill that offers little reward for all your trouble. requiring 50 stacks to make a noticeable change (unlike cloud kill which is just… autodeath to anything barely nicked) so the LEAST gbx can do is offer zero his proper action skill glitchless and fix his CA
For zero to work u need like 50 consecutive crit hits under ludicrous restrictions to start seeing a noticeable reward for all your trouble, while other characters are rewarded for doing MUCH MUCH less, like simply landing any stray bullet at an enemy or even near them. so the LEAST gbx can do for him is fix his action skill and main source for sniper damage. thats my opinion
I do agree about this petition to fix Zer0’s crit bonus, either simply remove it from the description or make it work. Sign me in.
But I disagree with you about how Zer0 is outperformed by Maya. The only part where Maya outperform Zer0 is in slagging. If you can slag well, you can kill well. The only part of the game where you need CA is raid bosses, on OP8. I leveled up a sniper Zer0 solo just because I’m bored with the best sniper in the game, Pimpernel, and had to rely on green Jakobs snipers (because blues are bolt action and purples are rare), and I did fine. I specced on CA only when I reached 72, and that’s just as a cherry on top of the cake, I don’t rely on it.
Fixing CA, there’s nothing much to fix. I’m pretty sure the whole CA mechanic is intended (I do agree about how it has rather ridiculous mechanic to keep the stacks). What you (or we) want is a rework, and at this point of game development, we’re very unlikely to get a small patch, let alone a rework.
If you want to worry about BL3 game balance, don’t look at past games, look at BB and see how they balance it. PvP game is much harder to balance and hope they learnt something from that. To be honest I haven’t seen much about BB though.
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(So long, and thanks for all the fish)
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All i want is the skill to do what is says
As for CA i just want to be able to use it with my normal gun setup and not be forced to run the game with 4 snipers, why do the stacks just crumble when i switch to another gun? they already decay too fast let them decay normally when another gun is equipped, it wont offer new stacks anyway. anything u do kills ur CA stacks, really anything. and that should stop cuz its already the hardest skill to use in the game even without these stupid restrictions.
As for maya outdamaging zero its not my opinion its an established fact sadly. Test it and see for yourself
Yeah, supposedly they fixed the Deception bonus in the last patch, but the OP and @Derch 's video claims not, has anyone else confirmed this is the case (and the bonus number only applies if you’ve been in it for nearly the full five seconds) for non-PC players too? I’m not saying @dcescarlesspider or @Derch is wrong, but was curious if other sources agree on other platforms like Xbox/1 or PS3/4. I won’t be in front of my console for a bit, so can’t myself. (edited this paragraph from my OP as had incorrect info in it)
If so it’s really disappointing, that’s sorta what patches/hotfixes are for… As for CA, I just wish the stacks lasted much longer, especially for slow firing snipers, which is something they could change in a hotfix, but I’m guessing even if we do get one more patch they will focus on other, more broken things…
I also agree that Zero does just fine at OP 8 however, and that Sniper Zero only needs that stupid CA stacking in a few areas, Raid Bosses mainly, check out Man of Low Moral Fiber’s youtube videos where he also stacks CA for BA Slaughter Round 6 (very clever how he does it though, not a low skill move) and part of Digistruct before the Assassins (again, not automatic how he does it)… I’m nowhere near the level of player he is, yet I do well with Sniper Zero on OP8.
@dcescarlesspider have you also run the numbers to support the contention that Maya is a more powerful sniper than Zero at OP8 and is this for every sniper gun or just the pimpernel where Maya gets a big Chain Reaction (I don’t know of any Maya players who don’t use CR) boost? She’s a better mobber imho, but that’s because of Phaselock which is more powerful for mobs (slag singularity grenade on every use plus enemy removed from field briefly) than just disappearing for a few seconds.
I don’t have numbers right in front of me, but I have tested it in the past. Using the same Sniper Rifle and Bee shield, Maya does more damage than Zer0. He pulls ahead when you start stacking Critical Ascension or wait to the very last second of Deception. But that Deception shot only happens once every 20 seconds, Maya can keep right on sniping. So without CA, Maya can out DPS him with snipers.
Do you remember the gear and specs that were used? I’m not too into Maya and Zero, but between RS, OSOK, Followthrough, DM, and all of his crit bonuses (which aren’t too difficult to accumulate while mobbing assuming a pimp), I’d imagine he’d pull ahead with or without the bee. He has far more crit damage than maya, and far more base (though under specific circumstances).,
And supposing that Maya can out DPS Zero with snipers without CA, is there anything wrong with that? Its the capstone of his sniper tree and contributes more damage to those weapons than any other skill he has. To say Maya can out snipe Zero without CA is like saying Zero can out snipe Maya without reaper.
At OP, have you tried twitter? I don’t know if GB has a twitter page, or what the etiquette would be for posting on it, but you could try contacting GB directly through that. They’re probably really busy with Battleborn, so I’d imagine this wouldn’t be the first thing on their minds. Still, if you are that bothered by it, it may be worth a shot.
I’ll have to look it up for both. And if I do that, I should probably just retest both of them on the target in Sanctuary so that I can post some numbers for each. Hopefully I’ll remember to do that soon.
