#64

It’s not a big decrease(~5-8 fps in my case), so with that horsepower you shouldn’t notice anything,

However, in my case it drops below the refresh rate and the jerkiness-fest begin.

#65

Anyword on a fix yet? In windows 7 I had FPS of 60-80 when playing dsr 3k, now with windows 10 even in 1080p once things get busy with gunplay I get FPS drops to as low as 30.

#66

I have a question: do you guys launch the game through Steam or via the exe file? I do the later, but I don’t know what, if any, effect that’d have on gameplay.

#67

I know there has been some FPS issue’s with other games on windows 10 and Nvidia drivers, any word on if this has been looked into?

#68

As far as Nvidia drivers go, I believe they have that mostly worked out. Still having a lot of issues with BL2 though, none with TPS. Will report back with more testing of areas.

#69

The recent W10 update’s fixed everything(or, at least, has made everything much, much better), it seems.

Can you confirm/deny?

#70

I’m actually getting more overall lag now, and no lol my system is pretty good.

i5 4670k 3.8ghz
strix 970
16gb 2133 trident x

in windows 7 using dsr to 2880x1620 I got a constant 65-75 fps with high’s of 90-100, now im getting around 60 with highs of 70 and lows as low as 32fps.

#71

Are there any more updates on this?

The reason I ask is that Windows 10 has gotten one helluva lot more aggressive the last few days.
The way the forced downloads are going now, I’m probably going to have to take active steps to stop Win10 from giving me a nag screen to actually perform the install every time I boot down.

Given the utterly incomprehensible idiocy that is Windows focus stealing, I can literally start the Win10 install by mistake when I thought I was typing a mail.
Thus, no options for a clean install once it’s underway unless I manually force a shutdown, which will probably just make the install resume the moment I boot back up.

If there are no updates on the matter, I’d be very glad of advice for a solid and dependable way to make sure Win10 does not - under any circumstances - begin installing itself without me saying ‘yes’ at least thrice in a loud voice.

I thought I was in relative control of my machine, but these days I very clearly am not.
I dislike that a great deal.

#72

Alternatively you could just install Windows 10, given that BL2 will run on it.

If you’re dead-set against it, this link may help - http://microsoft-news.com/how-to-remove-windows-10-upgrade-notification-on-windows-7-and-windows-8/

#73

I’d rather stay with Win7

#74

It’s still worse than on Windows 7. Earlier in this thread, I said that a Windows update fixed the problem, but I was wrong. It’s 30fps worse on average.

But I “fixed” the problem by organizing a dual-boot configuration. However, now I can’t record, because Nvidia’s decided that it would be nice to introduce stutter in Shadowplay’s output video, on Windows 7:

Nothing is ever freaking simple, is it?

#75

Oh, man. No, I suppose it isn’t.
That didn’t look good.
If it comes down to dual-boot setups and the risk of attendant problems, I’ll give Win10 a miss for as long as possible.

Thank you. As far as I can tell, GWX.exe has done everything except install, though - all the updates /files are in place and Win10 is just sitting there ready to pounce…will this remove everything, or can I somehow put it on a very secure hold?
I wouldn’t mind moving to Win10 with the crucial exception of problems with BL2.

#76

[quote=“DSs, post:74, topic:507478”]It’s still worse than on Windows 7. Earlier in this thread, I said that a Windows update fixed the problem, but I was wrong. It’s 30fps worse on average.

But I “fixed” the problem by organizing a dual-boot configuration. However, now I can’t record, because Nvidia’s decided that it would be nice to introduce stutter in Shadowplay’s output video, on Windows 7:[/quote]
Windows 7 in general is a lot worse than Windows 8, nevermind Windows 10, for performance. Any performance issues you’re encountering will not be with the OS itself, but a software / hardware / driver combination problem.

As you’re on nVidia, and I am, this limits the amount of blame you can place. I run BL2 at 2715 * 1527 (DSR) at roughly 60FPS (though it drops on some of the huge maps like Sawtooth Cauldron), I sometimes drop it back to 1080p if I really want instant response (isn’t necessary, though). This is better performance than I ever got on Windows 8 (nevermind Windows 7) and with PhysX pushed to Medium (or High, but that introduces crash issues in certain areas like Opportunity) from Low.

(dropping it back to 1080p gives me 80FPS or higher everywhere)

Stuttering from ShadowPlay can be from any number of issues, but the easy check is hard drive integrity / age / physical connectors (to mobo and back). Check fragmentation, the age of your drive (anything approaching or above 5 years is usually a risk), and so on, and so forth.

Honestly, you’re using an OS released over six years ago. I’d stop blaming successors to that architecture for performance problems. The Aero stack alone uses up more resources (mainly RAM, admittedly) than anything in Win8 or Win10.

I’m running BL2 on Windows 10 (64-bit) and it’s absolutely fine. Same goes for TPS, BL1, and pretty much every game I own outside of some legacy titles that rely on DirectPlay (and even then I’ve managed to find workarounds for games like Rome: Total War).

The upgrade process should let you back up a lot of your files, but I’m not sure if this keeps installed programs if you have to do what is called a clean install. It might removed installed stuff like Steam. However, if you have multiple hard drives, they’ll be unaffected and you can re-scan them for installed games once your main OS hard drive has been upgraded and Steam reinstalled.

#77

Thanks again. I have Win7 on an SSD and my games on my main D drive, so that should hopefully be ok.

What concerns me is mixed reports WRT BL2, with @DSs getting abysmal performance, @Spunky117 giving up on BL2 for his channel altogether and so forth.
I’m pretty sure the latter, especially, can tell you about all the checks he has run for the problem sources you list since I’m sure he has tried them all and more.

I don’t know very much about tech, driver configurations and so forth because I don’t care.

What I see is that 2K hasn’t changed the ‘not supported’ listing for BL2, and that many players are still having real problems.

The worst that could happen, as I see it, would be that things stayed as they are and people have unresolved issues without there being an official response from the team.

I have faith in GBX for the way they’ve continued to support the game, but I don’t even know if this is their call or 2K’s?

#78

The thing is this may not even be a GBX / 2K issue at all.

A 30FPS drop is huge, aye? That’s either a critical bug in BL2 that would’ve surfaced before now (given how long Windows 10 has been out for) or it’s something else entirely, and my money is on the latter.

2K’s list of games that aren’t supported on Windows 10 is extensive, including even their recent Civilisation release - Beyond Earth (and it’s incredibly-recent expansion). That doesn’t mean that the games are guaranteed to fail on Windows 10, it just means there are no plans for a support cycle that includes that OS (from 2K’s end). So if you wanted to change that, it would be 2K you take the matter up with.

Your Mileage May Vary. You might get issues on Windows 10, you might not. There’s no telling what the issue could be, but years of software development, bug reporting, my own computer maintenance and technical support jobs have taught me that most of the time it’s something with the user’s configuration.

Unfortunately, the first step for most users is to blame the software. Understandable, but it’s not something that can be fixed just like that.

So either use Windows 10, or don’t. As good as my experience with it is, I’m not going to turn around and tell you to use it if it affects you negatively. Hopefully if you get that GWX prompt to disappear, it shouldn’t be bugging you anymore and you can BL2 to your heart’s content :smile:

#79

The only game, and I have said this extensively in the past, that I have issues with on Windows 10, aside from some games made before 2010 that had crap support on Windows 7 anyhow, is Borderlands 2. Every, other, game, has had a performance increase. From what I have read, people that did the Windows 10 upgrade didn’t see any noticeable performance decrease, but those who did the fresh install did. From my own experience, I did the fresh install. Never trusted upgrades at all. I have seen that Borderlands 2 does not run it’s directx runtimes or microsoft visual c++ redistributables upon installation like TPS and BL1 do, or any other game for that matter. This might be a huge reason as to why the performance is garbage. I have tried manually installing them to no avail so something is going on. Be it on Windows 10, or steam, or Borderlands 2, I have no idea. I just find it extremely odd, that all my other games run fine, or better, on Win10, but BL2 doesn’t.

Almost as odd as Crysis 1 and 2 crashing after X amount of time on a 1mhz overclock of a GPU. No overclock, runs perfectly fine. But heaven forbid you should overclock the core by 1mhz! lol

#80

I love these statements. “A lot worse”, no, it’s not. In some games Windows 10 brings better performance, in some games it doesn’t, in some games it’s worse than Windows 7.

“Will not”, well, how do YOU know? 2K is categorizing Borderlands 2 as “not supported” on Windows 10.

[quote=“Gorbles, post:76, topic:507478”]
As you’re on nVidia, and I am, this limits the amount of blame you can place. I run BL2 at 2715 * 1527 (DSR) at roughly 60FPS (though it drops on some of the huge maps like Sawtooth Cauldron), I sometimes drop it back to 1080p if I really want instant response (isn’t necessary, though). This is better performance than I ever got on Windows 8 (nevermind Windows 7) and with PhysX pushed to Medium (or High, but that introduces crash issues in certain areas like Opportunity) from Low.[/quote]

This is a useless information. So, you’re getting “roughly” 60fps with DSR, great. But how much do you get on Windows 7? You don’t know? The information you’re providing is useless, then.

And I’m not sure if you want to impress with this, but I’m running BL2 at 3840 * 2160 (DSR) AT 60 fps, not roughly. I upgraded to GTX 980 Ti.

That is, on Windows 7. I can’t do it on Windows 10.

sigh

Thanks, dude!

And so on, and so forth.

Windows 7 is still FULLY supported by Microsoft, and Borderlands 2 was MADE for Windows 7. Do you even understand what are you talking about?

The part with Aero is rapidly convincing me that you don’t.

#81

Okay. Take advice in good faith, and graciously, or I close the thread. Making personal comments is not okay. Is that clear?

#82

What? What’s wrong with you? Where did you see a “personal comment”?

Do what you want, big scary moderator.

#83

As you wish. Implying that the people who are taking the time to try to help you don’t know what they are talking about? Not cool.

You need to go and read the forum rules now.

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