Er yeah, several times with Amara and Moze. I’d like to do it with the guns I want to rather than the only ones that work at M10.
Like I said, show us. I’ve done it too, but it’s not a walk in the park.
Er, how about no, I don’t need to prove anything to anyone.
Also no one was even talking about that. I used to be able to do it with my Vladof Moze or in Iron Bear or with Jakobs Amara.
The discussion was about how anointments and a small subset of OP legendaries have drastically reduced viable options with M2.0. Also no one said it was easy but M10 SS with cartels is entirely possible with any character with the OP weapons and meta builds - it’s just dull and unrewarding. TTB Amara with a Kaoson and OPQ walks though it, the more enemies the better in fact.
The trouble is when you are sorting through the legendary drops afterwards - there’s rarely anything worth picking up.
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I don’t run top anointments but I have proper perks on my relic and mod. Top tier anointments let you face roll but you can still punch bad guys in the face with proper gear and ‘sub-par’ anointments…just like the BL2 ‘dont need perfect parts’.
That’s the best thing about this event…you can farm relics and mods with proper perks, you don’t need to be farming for top tier anointments…they are not necessary to punch through content.
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I’m not doubting you, but anyone can say anything. If we’re going to talk about anointments and gear and how any top tier legendary is OP on any build, then show us all. It’s not about having to prove anything, but it’s about showing people how it’s done. Living up to your word.
Here’s a real world example: I bought a video card last week on ebay. The guy had a 100% seller rating and said it was a certain card with another heatsink/fan on top. So I bought it. I should have had him show me the card booted up in a system, because when I got it, it was the same thing I already had. He accepted the return and I eventually got another one. The point, he said one thing and it wasn’t so. Words are easy to say. Putting what we say into action, is another thing. If you are going to make a claim, then yeah, it’s reasonable for someone like me to ask you to prove it. I know I can do it myself, and I’m sure you can do what you say. But I’m a need proof kinda guy. And I’ll show everyone my proof that it can be done later.
Hey, ppl are keep playing/grinding.
That’s what matters (to gearbox) right?
If you had, say for example, a Hail without a Vladof grip in BL2, then your fire rate and magazine size were a bit lower than it could have been. If you got that perfect part then your DPS would be a bit higher, but it’s a marginal improvement. Maybe you kill things like 20% faster.
A good anoint in BL3 can literally double or triple your damage. It’s less like not getting good parts in BL2 and more like using a Snider instead of a Pimpernel. Yeah, you can do it, no one is saying you can’t solo content with it and you may even have a lot of fun, but it’s a substantially different experience.
With a proper mod and complimentary relic I don’t need top tier anointments. If you need top tier anointments to run all but the most difficult stuff, then your build and/or playstyle is lacking.
I jumped into M10 on drop day as soon as I got home. Got a Krakatoa at Maurice’s mission checkpoint and was able to run all the way through to Joey grabbing upgraded gear as I went. It was a blast to actually have to plan my attack and learn from my mistakes. That’s how the highest level of ‘difficulty’ should be.
Now I have the Yellowcake everyone is looking for and a consecutive hits Sand Hawk, etc etc. I prefer to use ‘not the meta’ because it’s more enjoyable for me.
Facerolling all day/every day gets boring and doesn’t promote longevity for anyone (ask anybody with modded equipment). Actively finding new ways to survive and organize your Vault Hunter is, for me, far more enjoyable.
I ran M10 Takedown with a buddy who was afk from Valkyrie all the way to Wotan. I pushed through with sub-par anointments with no Yellowcake or Sand Hawk but sweet gear by myself with Moze. By the time he came back I was looking out the window at Wotans playground waiting patiently.
I guess the question to ask is ‘does the player want to simply face-roll with little effort or actually put in a little work’.
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It’s exactly the same in BL3, you still have different weapon parts that can effect mag size/fire rate/damage etc. it’s just that a Vladof weapon in BL3 will always have Vladov parts with varying stats. On top of that there are then anointments which can be much more impactful than even a god tier part roll.
Because possibilities for independent events are the product of each event, a weapon that had for arguments sake 1000 variants due to part combinations, now has 1000 * 75 (ish didn’t actually count all the elemental variations) weapon anoints.
With a proper mod and complimentary relic I don’t need top tier anointments. If you need top tier anointments to run all but the most difficult stuff, then your build and/or playstyle is lacking.
Lol. Ok, if that’s your response to the post I wrote I’m going to step out on this one.
I guess that answers that.
I do indeed hope you have a good day!
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Except that’s not what I’m saying and I think you know that. The choice isn’t between everyone getting everything they want on the first try or what we have now.
The point of the statement I made was that just because you see more legendary items each kill…doesn’t mean there are more valuable items than you saw in BL2. The reason is because anointments add a vast amount of RNG on top of what BL2 had (regardless of the method of farming).
The point is that even with good rolls on an item in BL3 if you get a bad anointment or no anointment…those rolls don’t matter unless playing at a lower difficulty. Higher level difficulties assume anointed gear but it also assumes much higher drop rates to combat the insane RNG that rolls, element and anointments combine to make.
If someone can spend insane amount of hours and not even see the item they are farming drop…let alone with all the rolls, element or anointments to make it valuable…that is not a sustainable system. Either the RNG of getting good quality items needs to be improved so that when an item does finally drop after 5 hours of farming…it’s actually good OR the quantity of items that drop needs to be vastly increased to balance the insane RNG of getting the item and with the desirable rolls, element and anointment.
I would argue it’s not the same. Incrementally improving items with parts is not the same as missing an integral part like an anointment. Yes, you could keep farming in BL2 to get a slightly better version of what you had but the version you had was likely viable because it was still a good item just not the absolute best version.
In BL3 the anointment is everything. It’s more important than class AS in many cases. So no…I don’t think it’s the same thing. In BL3 you need to get the rolls like you did in BL2 (even if not perfect) but you also need a usable anointment (even if not the perfect one).
I would argue that getting a usable anointment is just as difficult as getting the perfect part weapon. It’s not difficult at all.
I understand things may be different at lower Mayhem levels but so is the need.
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Here’s an example of RNG… This morning I jumped on and did a run on the Cartel. After killing Joey, I was looking over the gear that fell and found this:
Now, I play on M10. So you’re probably saying that this would be great if we were playing the old Mayhem. No sir… This Stagecoach is a beast in Amara’s hands:
So, while the OP had no luck all day… It took me one run to find a god roll stagecoach that’s more than viable in M10.
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If that is true, then everybody is sifting through the piles of ALL loot, including whites, greens, blues and purples to find CORRECT anointment, right?
Somehow I’ve yet to see jubilant posts of “Yay, I finally got this +300/90 anointment I was looking for on this Cheechoko/Gruppa/Kot/… !”.
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Very true. I’d rather farm in BL3 than BL2. BL2 was boring and a chore, you’d be lucky to even get a drop after 20 runs. In BL3 you’ll get a drop every few runs, might not be good, but better than nothing.
And world drops were even a thing in BL2? With how infrequent they were you would swear it was some kind of bug. I’ve probably come across more world drops in a week playing BL3 than my entire time ever playing BL2.
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Conversely though, parts don’t matter as much. If you get a Recursion with the anointment you need, the elements and prefix mean very little. Pretty much any version of that weapon is totally viable if you have the right anointment. You don’t even need x2 projectiles on it, if you have one with elemental bonus anoint and then a shield/grenade with different elemental bonus anoints that is more than enough to get it to 1 shot mobs. I prefer Abundant versions because I like having bigger mag size, but some people like Spooling for faster charge or whatever the prefix is for projectile speed.
Also don’t act like some parts weren’t critical to the weapon’s performance. Did anyone use a Harold WITHOUT the DP prefix? It really is no different than getting the right anointment.
Isn’t it? Because then I’d disagree even more. Because I’m constantly picking up stuff that’s fairly decent, but it may just happen to not be better than what I have at the moment. E.g. I picked up an OPQ with a 200% damage anointment while AS is active, but I ditched it in favour of my existing 300% damage while enemy is above 90% health.
That’s not to say there isn’t rubbish out there, but I’m finding it hard to believe that I’m unique in finding halfway decent stuff every day. So while I agree looking for something really specific like eg a Kaoson with a 21% critical hits buff and a 300% anointment has a relatively low chance of success, there are still plenty of decent weapons dropping all the time
I don’t know, that’s not my experience. I thought the drop rates in BL2 were abysmal. I’ll concede that specific drops were probably easier to get (although not always), but the bottom line is the game pretty much only catered for farmers, as world drops were rarer than hen’s teeth. And even there I could farm Savage Lee for hours and not get a DPUH, and forget trying to get a Thunderball Fists from Flynt or a Sham from the BNK3R - it wasn’t all raining Legendaries from every source - I think people are probably wearing their rose-tinted glasses here. At least in BL3 you have plenty of consolation prizes even if you don’t get the gun you want, but even Purples were at times more rare in BL2 than Legendaries are in BL3. It just wasn’t very rewarding if you just wanted to play the game and hope for something to drop along the way.
I do feel your pain, but I’m not sure the current direction GBX is taking supports farming that much anyway. There have been two small level increases in recent months and they’ve all but confirmed there will be further ones, all making current gear fairly redundant. This, along with the timed-weapon events and the heavy emphasis on world drops, makes me feel that they are trying to steer people towards more gear experimentation than just sticking to a select amount of weapons and refining those builds
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Maybe this is a difference in class. I don’t know. Have you played Moze? She has an insane amount of anointments that don’t do anything so it’s not a matter of one being a sideways upgrade or situational anointment. All the new “while active” type anointments…worthless. Even outside the normal issues of finding anointments for other classes or no anointments she also can’t use a lot of the new anointments.
So that example you gave might be applying to you specifically but I can assure you that has not been my experience with Moze and I don’t play Zane or Fl4k so can’t even comment on them. Amara is easier because she can just use a wider array of weapons/elements and anointments or even get by without anointments in some cases but that IMO is a testament to the power of Amara rather than anything else.
Anyway…I don’t care. I think some people know exactly what the problem is but just love to take the contrarian point of view because it’s like a humble brag type of thing. Ok, we get it…you can make it all work as is…everyone else just sucks. You are so good. Or something. I don’t care anymore. If you are fine farming for 5 or 6 hours straight without seeing an item drop or spending days or weeks trying to get an item with the rolls/element/anointment you want…be my guest. My guess is most don’t feel that way and will stop playing like I am until it’s fixed.