I’m hoping to start a discussion on whether some or all legendaries are unfair/cheap to use in PVP. Others have discussed related topics, like the following thread:
But I think this may justify a new thread. I’ll start with a short story and then move to a few follow-up questions.
Last night I was playing in solo/duo queue and chose Kelvin for the 10th time ever. I had heard that borrowed timer was very effective on Kelvin, so I thought I would try it for the first time. As expected, it was quite effective, and my team ended up winning the game. After the game, one of our opponents entered my party to rebuke me for choosing borrowed timer, claiming this gear choice is cheap and people using it would negatively impact the community.
Now I have a few follow-up questions that I hope will spark an open discussion:
1: Do others think that choosing legendaries in PVP is cheap and therefore people should not do it?
2: Is it only cheap to use specific legendaries? If so, which ones? Some of the most powerful ones seem to be Bola’s Target Finder, Lorrian Skill Spike, Firmware Update 1.51c, Voxis Core (especially with Orendi), Borrowed Timer (especially with Kelvin), and some character specific legendaries like Whiskey’s, Toby’s, and Ambra’s.
3: Does the cheapness/appropriateness of legendaries depend on your opponents? For example, should you not use legendaries if opponents’ levels are <100, or if you recognize the opponents are part of the competitive community and therefore you implicitly assume that you are playing by competitive rules.
I will start by giving some of my thoughts. I played in the recent xbox competitive league that forbid legendaries, so most of my builds don’t have legendaries and I’m fine without using legendaries. But legendaries are clearly a significant part of the game that was intended by the developers. Given this, I think a blanket “yes” to question 1 is extreme and goes against Gearbox’s intended experience. It also dissuades people from playing/farming in PVE, which could negatively impact the number of people interested in playing Battleborn. Personally, one of the many reasons I love Battleborn is I can play PVE to farm legendaries to use in PVP.
Also, I think there are many white, green, blue, and purple gear choices that are as good or better than most legendaries. Of course, choosing legendaries sacrifices early game viability for late game viability. This tradeoff can feel cheap to the opponent if the game goes long, but if your opponents have legendary-heavy builds then you should prioritize dominating the early game.
Of the legendaries mentioned in question 2, I think Bola’s is very powerful on certain characters and borrowed timer seemed to be very powerful on Kelvin. I’m not sure if any are cheap, but if any are, it’s probably them.
For question 3: In service of limiting pub stomping, I usually don’t choose legendaries (especially the strongest ones) if I notice the opponents are newer players.
What do others think?