So I just want to apologize to OP of this thread. I wasn’t at all the authority on Marquis to be spouting my insight. Been playing him all night. He is definitely in a position of question. His shots… What’s up with the delay? Benedict deals at least 2x the damage and can fly (maybe 3x?)
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Montana’s Hailstorm can crit without gear.
Hailstorm is a buff, not a damage skill (Like, say, Kleese’s mortars).
Hailstorm just apply a buff to yourself and your gun. But you are still shooting with your regular weapon.
A bit like WF’s ultimate. It’s only a buff.
I’m actually gonna do a lot of testing with a buddy today on what can/can’t crit and how some items affect certain characters. Interested to see what I learn
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Haha. Are you saying that beta Ambra was weaker than current Ambra? Cuz that’s utterly hilarious. She was the strongest character quite possibly the game has ever had. Benedict was buffed to correct how hard he was to play. Now some people think he’s too bad. He’s definitely not over performing now. You just likely see more of him. And Boldur didn’t appear to the devs in stats that much for a few simple reasons. He’s tough to play, so most people drop him. Most didn’t play him. And he doesn’t put out high damage or kills. He just takes a lot. The game doesn’t have a real way to track damage absorbed by shield. Galilea’s mutations they admit were a mistake. I have no answer on that front lol
Beta Ambra was a bit better, but Ambra has gone back to ridiculously good again.
And I think Gally has always been the most broken character(pre-nerf), stronger than Ambra def. (She still has too much going for her though. Getting off-topic… Derp.)
Anyways, I’m simply going to agree that Marquis is a bad pick now. He may be one of the worse characters in the game now… 
Damage is all he had, his skills aren’t that interesting but that was the balance of Marquis. Maybe his Einz, Zwei, Die damage buff was a bit too much, but I say… Bring it up to 35%!
I honestly think that Toby is a better choice now in every way possibly.
You just haven’t met a beast of a Toby player Ike @Tehh_Hamster. He doesn’t need the shield to take down enemies easily. Your whole team can try to focus on him and he will find a way to kill 1-2 and escape alive.
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Sounds like me! However, i’ve admittedly turned my back on PVP (possibly for good), because i’m just too impatient to wait for a match; i’ve got the ADH-
-runs off to chase a butterfly-
Ghalt can be posted at chokepoint and (my) Toby can still deny the lane with teammates even halfway covering tunnel or perch.
Even good Ghalts, or great Ghalts, or the best Ghalt - they aren’t gonna shut down Toby. It doesn’t happen that way, especially once Toby is 7/8 with Heartpiercer and double shield HP.
I’d have a tougher time with ISIC or Thorn
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Playing as ISIC I took great amounts of pleasure reflecting those fat rail shots back into tobies shield
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I was giving Toby a rough time as Shayne last night. Fetch counts his force field as a shield so I could stun him through it. He didn’t like that lol
S&A is such an easy target though, I’m doubting that Toby knew how to remain calm.
Marquis, however, HAS to escape in these situations now. Close-range quickscoping isn’t threatening anymore, much like the rest of his kit these days.
the only thing I’ve found to work as marquis is using his legendary/chronokey to make his cooldowns incredibly short. once I hit level 5 i’m blasting my ult regularly
I don’t share your belief in their data.
What if they don’t find he is UP? Just don’t find, like they didn’t notice Kleese had almost twice less health than he was supposed to have - for three months. Why? Why didn’t they notice such a massive discrepancy? Maybe he wasn’t that bad even with low health? Then, why did they fix it as it is, without thinking how that massive buff can affect balance?
Kleese’s health was bugged. They fixed it. That said they may or may not be keeping it as is based on the data they collect. The bug and its subsequent fix had nothing to do with balance changes. None of us here know what the developers are planning to do with Kleese at this point. Are they thinking about changing his health? His shields? His taser damage and/or reach? We don’t know. They may think he’s fine or they may decide that based on data something needs to be adjusted. They probably won’t tell us until it’s all live and in the patch notes unless Grant or another one of the devs is allowed to share some data with us again before that time. It all depends on what the publishers at 2K and the marketing people at Gearbox decide to do.
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Ghalt is every high damagers counter really. Ernest, Kleese, he kills those who kill safely.
Lol it seems like you just wanna use Chronokey on everyone these days. Did you have it before the nerf?
It was a very difficult fix that likely took them months of work. In the meanwhile, they made sure that in beta and such he’d still be viable with strong healing and such. They took that out and replaced it with proper health. It appears they didn’t know why he was strong before though
I did not, but it works so well for me that I fell in love with it
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One time with me as Miko and him as Rath, he obstinately claimed that he really had healed for over 5k (I use all heal power)