Ok, the forums are acting weird so I’m getting notifications late and out of order.
I’ll say again since its all cleared up now.
You can either give me all the specifics or I can optimize it my self, and I’ll see what I can do.
Or just something(s) I have to do/use.
preferably, a spec like this or so. http://thepresequel.com/Athena/0555141000150051415001412315015001
the CoE com, and whatever other gear (shield of ages, tranquility, ETC) but the best would probably be the hyperion shottys for stacking, and a torgue for closing. melee to get in range, apply all the debuffs, then deal “many damages”
Awesome random YouTube picked thumb nail IMO
@ItsmeJamesAJ this one too
No need to tag me twice. (I got really confused when I looked at the notifications).
Pretty sure you can clear the same thing even faster when you have the same setup except with Hyperion shottys (and you’re critting). Helluva lot easier, helluva lot faster.
Also, I love how hilarious the double Boganella shotguns are. Nice showcase.
Which video did the 2nd line refer to?
First vid.
2nd vid was about what I was expecting. I actually planned on doing it for kansas, but you did it faster. (still doing work atm)
Then the point of that video is not which is faster, its that I used cryo+explosive guns with bad gear/almost no skill points/no BAR/meaning less mutators. To show how cryo is a crutch and basically allowed me to clear Lvl 9 under those conditions form its effects alone.
If you meant w/ those conditions the Hyperion SGs would be better, you’re free to prove it using the same set up.
And my point is that you will be able to do it even more efficiently with Hyperion shotguns. You are calling essentially slag a crutch because anything that’s slagged in BL2 is actually killable.
I don’t feel like doing a video just to prove you wrong, especially when I’m swarmed with things to do like now, but you are more than welcome to try it out yourself.
exellent job! preformed better than i thought. i might have to try this out, it seems very potent.
Well if you get the time I’d like to see you do it, if not oh well.
And slag is different, it buffs everything and if Athena was in BL2 I wouldn’t say its a crutch for her unlike cryo. The softer scaling of TPS and how CS Athena works leads me to say its a crutch on her if used while mobbing.
Slag literally gives you 3x damage everything while Cryo only allows explosive, crit & melee.
Just because you can kill stuff with cryo + explosive combo doesn’t mean it’s crutch… Like, look at kansas’s white gear EOS kill. Just because he can do it doesn’t mean white gears or tombstone is a crutch.
this whole argument can be solved by saying that BL TPS is head and shoulders easier than BL2. UVHM in TPS has less health scaling and no health regen, not even mentioning OP levels. when you get into OP8 in BL2, slag is almost mandatory because of the tankiness of enemies in that game. in TPS, mobs are not nearly as tanky, and we’re talking about a character with insane DPS, so…
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@ItsmeJamesAJ
Uh some of that didn’t make since, like what was your intention in calling white gear a crutch? Explosive gear isn’t a crutch nor is a character’s skills. Like both Hyperion SG Athena and Hybrid Athena made it through Lvl 9 easily w/out cryo (except some butt slams and Prismatic Aegis on like 4 enemies), but at least when I played DoT Athena Lvl 9 UBAs didn’t die w/out cryo. So all I’ve been getting at this whole time is that cryo (and by the same extent Pitchforks for Nisha) is a crutch for CS Athena set ups that don’t have the power to do much more than general mobbing.
IDK, i did that kill for the lolz. running without 11/5 tombstone, trick shot, or a good quality shield, guns ETC wasn’t to prove that those are crutches for nisha, hell, i even tried mobbing with all white gear, and if you take your time, you can kill things, but you gotta use cryo, make REALLY smart plays, and pray to RNGsus that no badasses spawn, or if they do, they spawn with a minion for a meager 5/5 tombstone. in regualar mobbing, i never touch the frigidia in my slots, in the mutator, i whip it out to get my killskill chain started and for badasses. could i do it without, yes, do i want to, no.
cryo only trivializes endgame content when you let it. the best analogy i have is money shot sal. he’s OP for mobbing, but for raids, its really all you have. but for mobbing, melee sal is the way to go. i use cryo in mutator 9 as nisha, but ive done it without it. ive ran through the entire game with a fully specced and geared jakobs nisha and never touched a cryo gun (and im assuming you could do similarly with Athena). but on my white gear nisha joke setup, i used my cryo snider so much i ran out of sniper ammo before i ran out of shotgun ammo.
@ItsmeJamesAJ my point was I could go almost naked and cryo+explosive would carry me. I see how white gear Nisha and this is similar, but I was just trying to show that basically a blank slate could use 2 guns and no other skills/gear/ect… to achieve levels higher than that of someone’s Wilhelm. And when only 2 pieces of gear beats someone’s whole thought-out spec and loadout, you can see (at least I can see) that tacking that on to the most powerful character for this scenario is a crutch. @onlyin_kansas’ video showed what Nisha could achieve with her skills and basically her skills alone. Sorta like Bahroo’s Badass Temple of Slaughter using NOTHING., and not like this cryo debate.
You also for got that a lot of enemies can’t be cryo’d (besides Saturn, Snowman, and Slag enemies everything can be slagged. There might be some others), so once you rely on cryo and you come across those numerous enemies that can’t be cryo’d your build falls apart like mine does and you have to resort to those methods you think are “cheap”.
[Build] White Nisha
Can kill normal mobbs as fast as Jacobs Nisha, but anything bigger and you need cryo to just say on par with scenarios Jacobs Nisha wouldn’t. Because if not those 7sec kill skills will run out and show that this build doesn’t do much of anything but kill normal bandits.
All I’m trying to say is that cryo is a way to cover your tracks w/ CS Athena when your set up can’t pull it own weight. And that if someone saw that build and tried it out on say Denial subroutine (subtle reference), it wouldn’t do much of anything even with cryo b/c he can’t be cryo’d.
Right back at ya (and real mature). Let’s get real. Your point about cryo being a “crutch” also directly applies to hyperion shottys - people depend on Hyperion shottys and rocket launcher spamming to get them through hardship, whereas I show that you can succeed even without it! In your showcase, even without cryo, because of the 999 stacks & Unrelenting, you easily could’ve chewed through those UBAs without freezing them!
What you are saying is equivalent to “$hot $alvador w/ DPUH & Grog isn’t crutch because you can faceroll your way through the game!”
Unless the word crutch doesn’t mean “something you fall back on to almost cheat your way through the game using extremely cheap tactics and gear that is stupidly powerful for how ridiculously easy to use”, your criticism of cryo applies even more so to hyperion shotguns and rocket launcher spamming.
That was for @onlyin_kansas when he posted on my Icebringer build that it didn’t really work. And it doesn’t, the build is only works on Mobbs and certain bosses.
Why not just call the Flakker cheap/OP on Clappy or Droog on Aurelia or Flayer on Nisha or ect… Those are the gear that wrecks on those characters (unlike something like the Norfleet that rolls over everything on one anyone). Go use a Droog on Athena against Eclipse and see if it still destroys him like a Development would, ya know cause they are both the best of the best on each character I’m sure you’ll get similar results if you switch 'em up. Hell try the Development/Badaboom on Aurelia. 
Lvl 9 w/ Shadow-tp is “raid” level difficult, and Athena was built to use and abuse anything where ammo/FR is an issue. Try your build on the Sentinel, Eclipse & EOS, Lvl 9 Shadow-tp using nothing but the gear you’ve already listed. For regular mobbing I use a lot of different gear on Athena, but calling Hyperion SGs and RLs cheap for raid encounters is not wise to put it lightly.
So let me ask you this, what would you rely on in these “raid” level encounters, since Hyperion SGs and RLs are a crutch and cheap? Or any of the other place cryo can’t help your build.
You did show you can use something besides Hyperion SGs/RLs. The same way I used the Octo, Party Line, Hellfire, Bangstick, ect… And how I used the Boganella just fine in Lvl 9 w/out cryo.
You’re basically saying Top Gear is a crutch. Are you going to take on Pete with that Infinity pistol that worked while mobbing and all the sudden use the Bee b/c it doesn’t work very well on him, but with the Bee you can still kill him almost as fast. So no crutch there to make up for what your set up can’t do right?
*And more about how TG used in a raid isn’t cheap, and that comparing “easy mode” Sal and “micromanage” Athena doesn’t work to prove your point about how “cheap” something is. And some “well Axton does work with the Avenger so that’s cheap”. And on and on and on…
Lastly
Prove it. Put your money where your mouth is. Don’t say you have a bunch of work, you already said you were going to make a Hybrid Athena video for @onlyin_kansas until I made one.
If I may, just briefly, weigh in on the cryo v synergetic gear v rocket spam ordeal. or whatever is going on here. If I were to divine a line of “cheapness” per se, I feel that cryo and rocket spam are somewhat in the same boat as every character has access to it and it’s almost always the highest damage option for that character. I could basically run Zim Jack or (Any Wilhelm build…RIP), or something that generally isn’t strong and do work with it because the mechanic is that strong.
On the other hand, you have synergetic gear like Hyp Shotties With Athena/the latest broken Sal combo/ Twister + Bore/CR, or some character build that just works really well. They don’t really feel as “cheap” in my mind because their greatness is tied to the strength of the build or synergy with the character. And if your ultimate goal was to show the strength of your build, I don’t see anything wrong with that.
That is, however, just my opinion. At the end of the day it’s a Single Player game, you can play it however you want to. That’s what makes it so great