I’m fine with it as long as she dies during Marcus’s opening so you want to hear a story huh speech. Then give us dlc with the vault hunters from 2 who got no mention in 3.
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I think Ava is a symptom of a larger issue with the writing in BL3. The hate for her is justified but not completely her doing
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Bunkers and Badasses was both wacky and emotional, and fit her so perfectly as a deranged, yet still child like, character. I’m not sure how they’d do that for Ava, but it’d require a lot as she lacks both of those things. Maybe like I mentioned before, some sort of a coming of age journey for her. A whole planet where she goes through the trials of a siren to connect with her powers. Maybe she’s kidnapped along the way by some bandit clan or megacorp, is forced to grow and develop, and we aid in her freeing herself.
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I fail to understand why so many online posters (who I’m going to distinguish here from the majority of the playerbase, because they’re not, no matter how much some say they are) have this deep disdain for Ava. She’s a character in a video game. Most of the arguments I’ve read here and on reddit are along the lines of “She’s boring” and “She got Maya killed” which are rubbish reasons to loathe a character as much as some people seem to. Also, she didn’t get Maya killed and we all know it.
I am of the belief that most of these hate posts are just made by people riding the meme train. It’s funny until you try to have a discussion and can’t get an answer for all of the hyperbolic parroting.
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I agree that the “she got Maya killed” argument is dumb. However, the fact that she’s boring or, in my opinion, a cliche sort of stock character is a problem when she’s set up as being very important near the end. All the writing around Ava is just not very good in my opinion.
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You’re right in that most of the hate just encourages bigger reactions and more hate, but there were a few scenes where she was pretty flat, obstinate, and completely blind of the situation at hand because of her emotions. But, in reality, people tend to act that way. And a DLC could be her redemption. Especially if they manage to capture the atmosphere of both her character trying to find herself, feeling lost in both herself, and in a new world that we could explore with her.
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I like Ava, she is the only one who appreciates claptrap.
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It certainly wasn’t the greatest story arc, and it was definitely lacking in development and history, but the hatred for her is just so melodramatic. I didn’t mind her, she could’ve been better, but the biggest meme isn’t Ava herself IMO it’s the bandwagon of exaggerated hate following her.
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Try not to strawman other peoples opinion.
I think the issue with ava More so has to do with the fact that the writers marginalized the player to a extreme extent. Annoying characters in video games can be brushed off. But in this game the player is seemingly marginalized for the sake of other characters. I think Ava’s personality coupled with this writing style is the true issue.
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Yup, I absolutely agree. She just needed way more screen time. And for her lines to not be so limited to her whining. And this is her best chance at that.
Are you referring to how the control of the Crimson Raiders, and an entire spaceship and its crew, was handed off to a teenager, instead of one or all four of the cult-army slaughtering vault hunters…?
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Those are the same arguments I’ve seen repeated here and on reddit, and the answers I’ve gotten when trying to have a discussion about Ava with people who “hate” her. There are reasons to dislike her character, such as the ones you cited, but nonsense like what I mentioned is just that, nonsense.
Exactly
The player is barely acknowledged for their contributions in a meaningful way throughout the game. There are alot of cutscenes where it leaves the player wondering where did the vault hunter(s) go. This is brought to a head when during the final cut-scene lilith gives Ava the role of leadership as if the vault hunters didn’t do the majority of the work. That’s devastating.
Forget Ava’s personality for a sec. Imagine beating an entire game, only for the final cut-scene to glorify a character that barely did anything the whole story(lilith), and elevate a character above you that barely did anything(ava). Oh wait we don’t have to imagine because that’s exactly what the BL3 writers thought was a good idea. Clap Trap in borderlands 2 did more to influence the story than Ava did. Ava is the Tiny Tina of BL3. so imagine if Tiny Tina was given leadership of the crimson lance at the end of BL2? It’s would have been received just as poorly.
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Yeeeah, I see where you’re coming from. Is there anything you’d like to see in that DLC that could redeem her in your eyes?
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Tiny Tina the leader of the Crimson Lance at the end of BL2? That would’ve been awesome!
Tea parties and explosives, EVERYWHERE. ALL THE TIME.
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I think id rather Ava be forgotten. Use the time for better existing characters or write in some more awesome ones.
Gearbox has already done this sadly. Why not do it with one of the most hated characters?
Even the people that like Ava, I’m sure there are better characters to have step up.
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Despite the fact that there are so many who would agree with you, it’s blatantly apparent in the Borderlands show that they’re not letting her go. He was very clear on that much. And they’ve already set this up to happen. So, our best hope is that they listen to the community, and really hit this home.
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Ava becoming a villain would redeem her…
I say that only half jokingly. I think she is already a doomed character from a story writing perspective. The opportunities for deepening her character has already been missed. She has no innate skills to speak of, and what advantages she does have was inherited in 2 of the worst story bits in the game.(maya’s powers and lilith’s ship) You can’t really give her any special talents because it would leave plot holes in the main story. “oh suddenly DLC Ava is an amazing genius level strategist, where was this in the main game?”. It’d be like mentioning Tina is a bomb genius after the main story is over in BL2.
Tragedy is one of the fastest ways to grow a character… But Ava already lowkey caused Maya’s death. That didn’t grow her.
Mentor-ship is another plot device for character growth…but Lilith is also gone, and anyone who could mentor Ava should probably be the one running the crimson raiders in the first place.
Failure is a good tool for growth. Have her lead a botched mission perhaps? But then it only drives home the injustice of lilith ever putting AVa in charge in the first place.
I think the writers wrote themselves into a corner with this character, and most attempts to get her out of that corner will seem forced. You can’t make her the greatest leader the raiders have ever had. It’d seem like the writers justifying their own agenda.(which by the way is exactly what I expect them to try leading to more internet hate)
I don’t know. The future looks dim
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Does that mean that have already scripted, designed and coding the DLC and they dont have time/money to go back now?
I hope they predicted the player response.