Hah! I did that while farming the train. Poor Frosty was done before the 1st reload. 
I compare letās say my purple to purple SMG to my LMGās. The SMGās have the same DPS but are higher in % chance.
The LMGās have higher Dmg but generally the fire rate is slower. Not much difference between the 2.
Iām hoping for some special LMGās now. My corrode SMG did better against the final constructor in Bunker than my Lmg.
Still I prefer shotguns along with my Grog now.
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Iām gonna assume you mean Assault Rifles when you say āLMGā
Yes, on average you are right, but most ARs are not exactly top choices either.
Itās just that Unique ARs (like the Kitten for example) are usually better than most unique SMGs for Sal.
Honestly, with Salvador, Shotguns is where itās at most of the time, the higher the DPS the better.
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Yes, Isnāt that what theyāre called? (Lmgās) I got it in my head when writing down my inventory as Smg=Small machine gun and Lmg=Large.
I just compared my corrosive and fire Smgās with my comparable Assault rifles and the Smgās DPS and crits were both better by a distinct margin. Thatās why I go with them for general battles while farming.
Pre-Grog, I used to equip the ARās for tough ammo gulping battles to have another weapon to go to if my shotgun and Smg ammo was getting low. Also at the time they were a bit betterā¦so I thoughtā¦ than my Smgās at the time. but then I picked up better and better ones while the AR drops have been lacking even today. Maybe my purples are as high as they go until I get the specialties like the kitten.
Thatās what Iām watching for.
I was totally surprised that my Grog and Corrosive Smg took down BNK3R fairly easily. Thatās all I used.
Took longer as I hid up the stairs but it worked.
My shotguns are always the go to item for bosses or anything tough. That will never change.
Since getting the grog and of course all the suggestions by you, Carlton and others, Itās been a total change in game play for the way better. As always much appreciated!!
I keep posting little things in this thread in case others may be trying Sal and could get some help just reading what Iāve gone through. 
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SMG stands for Sub machine gun, not small.
There are almost no real world āmachine gunā analog in the game except Bandit and their band-fed ARs. Those guns usually come with a tripod and are manned by a team of 2-3.
Assault rifle (like the AK-47 for example) are much much smaller.
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I know itās Sub, But like I said, I just got it in my head as large and small and because of the gameās goofy names for the weapons it was easier for visually IDāing them.
Should be interesting now that Iām heading into the last zone before going after Jack and the Warrior.
The only problem might be that the Surveyors will distract heavily. I used to be able to snipe them easily but not in UVHM. My shock Sniper might do it but I havenāt had the chance to try lately.
My shock Smg and Grog has been getting them decently leading up to this but they get their hits in 1st.
Once I get to the Warrior Iāll probably farm for a while until I get something other than Jackās Head.
1st 2 modes thatās all I EVER got. Not one orange. I really farmed it a lot in TVHM.
Looking for some input here on a couple of items.
From the train I got a purple 72 āPartisan Topneaaā RL (Shock)
Something about that name reminded me of āThe Guideā for Sal.
There it is top of the list.
Compared to my other Shock RL
Prudential PBFG ā¦3017583 dmgā¦Dps 63Kā¦34.8%ā¦0.9fr
Partisan Topneaaā¦1360455 dmgā¦Dps 53Kā¦24%ā¦2.0fr
Normally Iād see those #'s and the Prudential would stay by #'s alone, But the other is a Topneaa !!
As in top of the list. I understand in reviewing the guide about the extra ammo and fire rate.
Which should I keep?
Also the train gave me the 72 Leg āBlack Holeā shock nova shield. 577254 Capā¦1376814 Nova Dmg.
Iāve never really used the novaās much and am wondering if this is worth keeping.
Inventory is getting tight again after some of these drops.
The Topneaa, hands down.
PBFGs are nice but they are slow and consume 2 ammo per shot, while the Topneaa is much faster to shoot and reload, and consume less than 1 ammo per shot.
The Black hole is cute and fun, but it has no synergy with Sal.
If you have a friend who plays gaige, they might like it.
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I figured that was going to be the response. Iām learning to get away from the #'s game.
Always good to get experienced opinions.
So between posting that and doing a little more on the train it gave me a Leg Neogenator shield.
Tested it out in Tinkerton and the health pretty much stays full. Shied goes down quick but the health increase makes up for it.
Never heard of this one but seems like it might have a use. I donāt know.
Iām getting a very strange mix or Oranges in my inventory now.
You might want to check the Top Gear for Salvador thread
Both the Neogenator and the Topneaa are in there
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Spycho drops the Neogenator. You can find it(him? her?) in Frostburn Canyon after doing the Doc Zed side quest after you reach the main story missions that send you to Eridium Blight/Sawtooth Cauldron. You can also find Spycho in the T.K. Baha Headhunter DLC- thatās where I got my first Negenator fromā¦
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Continuing on my specialty weapons bucket list, only after about 40 kills of the Warrior I got the Skullmasher,
Sticky lobbed fire Leech and then the Conference Call. So happy to finally get the CC I did a few more and left.
I looked up more about the CC and found out there are elemental ones. I got the āPotentialā Conf Call.
sighs Sounds like me in high schoolā¦He has plenty of potential if heād only apply himself 
So basically I got the red-headed step child of the CCās. Still fun butā¦
What are the chances if I make the trek back to the Warrior that Iāll eventually get an elemental or especially the āCriticalā Since I already got a CC?
Iād heard about the CC and BEE combo being toned down for Vermi (and overall). I gave it a shot and Yep, Very difficult.
I used the Grog with it and usually by the time Vermi showed slag he was sinking back down. My various slag grenades were way off timing and my Leg Bouncing Bonnie worked OK. I tried āPride Rockā but Vermi would spawn right in front of me every time right after the lazers would do major damage before I could eliminate them. Pride rock doesnāt work for me like in TVHM, So I ran around and was bounced into space many times ā¦If I didnāt back off the cliff myself.
I tabled Vermi for a while.
Decided to finish Jackenstein. Knowing what to do but continually got pummelled by his jump. after 3 times in a row being trapped by his leg and a container while in FFYL and not being able to hit a loader for a 2nd wind I gave up.
Watched a video and saw that āsafe areaā when you 1st land. Ok, Iāll do this as I didnāt want to spend too much on J-stein and just wanted the drop.
Lame I know.
One thing I learned in that safe room, Donāt mistakenly release your Storm Front grennade. Somehow I survived and did finally kill J-Stein. Of course he didnāt drop the weapon most say he does every time.
I killed the Prof and looted the room, Nothing better there either. I DID NOT turn in the mission to Hammerlock , Can I go after J-Stein again? (after making the trek back ) Or does it matter if itās turned in or not?
Not hugely important, Just would like to get that weapon and put that DLC to rest.
maxageddon
(There's safety in numbers. There's Safety in pins.)
#72
Jackenstein respawns so you can trek back there as you like to fight him. The treasure room is only accessible during the mission, if I remember correctly
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I think youāre confusing Terramorphous and Vermiverous- Terra is the one that has the cliff and bounces you aroundā¦
LOLā¦Yes, Quickly abbreviating the name and went with the wrong one. Read so many threads before posting this.
Any suggestions of what to use against TERRA?
I thought a fire shottie would be key but didnāt do much. I have a decent Purple Hyperian fire SG.
I did do the BEE/Grog/Conf Call mostly but didnāt do much even with Terra being slagged part of the time.
I rarely see a video on anyone beating a boss with normal purples and Legendaries, Mostly 30 sec battles with tweaked or top weapons etc.
Thanks maxageddon, Just wanted to confirm. It is pretty easy to dead run all the way and Iāll probably give it a shot again. I remember the treasure room is closed off (and saw it after quit/save before leaving) Only about 6 purples showed up and none were better or even close to what I have.
Piemanlee
(Goodbye friends and not friends, it's been a fun ride)
#75
If I was you I would simply use a legendary gunzerker com with a dpuh/grog combo or try this [Build] Salvador
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Refer to that link often. I need to get another DPUH first. Previously I had a level 50 but no Grog, By the time I got to 72 the DPUH wasnāt doing anything. Now that I have the Grog Iāll have to farm tokens at the bar.
Have the Leg BERzerker com and only a 67. I pretty much run with my 72 Chaotic evil monk. 49% crit.
Piemanlee
(Goodbye friends and not friends, it's been a fun ride)
#77
Yeah the monk is great for mobbing. Also to get a dpuh on level shouldnāt be hard just go farm the bar room on normal or true than come back to uvhm and get one. Also if thatās the class mod Iām thinking of itās the best replacement com until you can get a leg. Gunzerker.
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Thanks for the reminder. I did just that. I forgot that that was an easier option. Dropped to TVHM and played with my Topneaa and my purple expl RL.
Insanely quick work so much so I collected another 600+ tokens.
It did take about 50 quit/saves to get the DPUH to show up. Now Iāll probably get one dropped from a LLM. 
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Piemanlee
(Goodbye friends and not friends, it's been a fun ride)
#79
Yeah thatās how rng works lol.
Did you get a torgue grip on it
I should have had the image burned in my head but I was just happy to get one finally.
I just checked some pictures and it doesnāt look like it. Mine has a couple of faint yellow stripes on the grip yet the pictures donāt show that. It just doesnāt seem to say Yep, Thatās it. I guess I could check out the vending machine again since I have enough tokens.
If you sell anything (bought with tokens) in the torgue vending machine do you get tokens back??
Iāve never had to do that.
