#5

I think you don’t understand what I am trying to say here.

While it’s a common thing characters with low hp have more mobility, those players I have met were constant jumping arround and over my head.

You have to look in the air above and tourn your own angle to keep them in sight wich is almost impossible.

I simply could not manage to attack the elve because of that plus she jumps way to high and were able to shoot me while doing so.

Benedict for example has to use his escape skill to act like that that. It’s a different thing than doing such moves over and over without any delay.

#6

They are using built in skills and helix options. They are working as intended. Try the characters out for yourself in a private match or story mode and you will see there’s nothing funny going on.

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#7

Best way to learn how to beat a character is to learn them your self.

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#8

Besides don’t most area melee attacks hit them while they are in the air? Like Kelvin’s ground pound and El Dragon clap?

I never really had to much of a problem facing these characters because even if they could out jump and dodge me it only made me change my play style on how to deal with them.

#9

Mellka has to use an ability to do so, for her I have no issue as once she uses this ability it is now on CD.

Thorn, I think she needs a nerf to her insanely high jump (helix mod tier 7?) If they are to keep the helix option in the game she should barely be able to jump up to sniper perch from below it.

The main problem is the lack of FoV or 3rd person for the melee perspective.

#10

Thats exactly my problem I cant keep track of them doing those jumps… while it might be balanced in therms of mellka because of that cd (wich still makes her an “easy win” character on phoebe) it is just rediculous Thorn does that all the time just jumping and it needs to be nerfed…

#11

A good thorn will always use her increased jump height helix combined with her melee push back move. My thorn lives for this combo, while it does keep me alive and make me a hard target to hit, It does not make me unkillable.

If I am fighting a highly moble jumpy character, I just wait for the best time to CC them. Most thorns and mellkas can be killed if you spot them first.

#12

And as you play Phoebe you are just going to die because you dont have a cc right ? … that is not balanced at all

Thorn does crazy ammounts of dps she doesn’t need to jump arround like a bunny rabbit.
She is supposed to be played as a range class not a mid range brawler or am I missing something?

As Thorn is out of position she should just die to any assasin because that is what assasins supposed to do,
pick the one that over extends and put and end to him.

#13

Uhhh Wait until you see Benedict and kleese…

#14

I think thorn is absolutely supposed to be a mid ranged brawler.

High mobility, low defense, short range on her skills and ultimate, and her bow is rather difficult to hit with on a moving target anyway… it gets MUCH worse at range unless you are shooting snipers, but once a marquis or toby notices you are hitting them they can sidestep your fully charged shots no problem from range.

The charge shot gives up her mobility, the fast shot has a delay on firing and is inaccurate. She def isn’t a sniper that’s for sure… good luck finishing an evading enemy from range with the travel time on that bow.

#15

Mellka doesn’t jump higher. Those are abilities under a 16sec cooldown that both can be used offensively or as a mobility (escape or reaching places she cannot reach normally).
Thorn only jump high if the choice is selected in the helix choices, so she doesn’t have it from the start.
Lots of other characters have possibilities like that. Isic and his dash, Phoebe and her teleport, benedict and his flight/glide, Caldarius 's jump/abilities, Deande’s flying kick, Rath’s double jump, Kleese’s multiple jumps…

#16

While her jump does allow her to escape (as it should), it also commits her to a very long move. If she jumps, but doesn’t jump away, she is basically a 100% trackable target.

#17

ImO a good phoebe is one of the most difficult opponent to deal with as a Mellka player, with good Rath and Ghalt opponents.
Both Rath and Phoebe have a silence that they can apply to you if they can surprise you (and phoebe is very good at surprising her target with her teleport) and enough melee dps to kill you or almost kill you by the end of the silence, so you can’t wait and need to escape before that. Which can prove a bit difficult since your quick melee doesn’t have as much range as their attack, which means that if they keep the distance in check they can dps you withotu you being able to quick melee them. they don’t need to do that for long, too.

#18

I did already agree it is ok for Mellka beeing able to get away using her abillity like it is on every damn other character in this game.

I don’t see any problem in those (for example Benedict just flies away and thats how it should be but as you get him on cd he is just dead…)

The reason I wrote this is because of Thorn jumped again and again and again and …
with no cd at all!

I know what Phoebe could do she is still kind of OP, in therms of single target dps, since her right click does like 500 dmg as you set the helix skills right.
The silence is also no new thing to me shure I would use it.

BUT it wouldn’t even work on that Thorn she would just jump away as I told you.

My teleport doesn’t help ■■■■ if I’m not able to keep track of my target because it is over my head.

The fov is a problem because Thorn can easy look down at me while flying and tourn her character as she likes, flying over my head, to have me not looking at her.

Man im sorry for my bad english… I hope someone would finaly understand the problem with this mecanics.
Maybe it’s only a thing that bothers melee only chars and only a few of them but it is there and it’s not fair.

#19

The reality is that Thorn might very well be the strongest pvp character in the game currently. Most people are just using her very incorrectly thinking she is a pure sniper. She is extremely versatile and has few counters. Once all the rage about Gal calms down and more people become proficient with Thorn you will see a lot more complaints about her.

#20

The thing is every character has some sort of annoying ability. I hate getting stunned/knocked into the air/ silenced when I play thorn. I have yet to kill an Isic player as thorn, and I maintain a pretty good k/d ratio most times. Sure thorn can jump around like crazy, but her primary attack is inaccurate and slow, I can’t hit anything reliably with my bow when I’m jumping around. It’s how thorn can survive in tight situations, and it doesn’t always work. If the other team is paying attention, I get stunned as soon as I land, then I usually die. Also, I have learned who to avoid now playing as thorn, Isic /Renya/Kleese/Atticus are ones that always seem to give me problems. These players kill me more than others, so as Thorn, I avoid them, keep my distance and will only engage them if I have support. I had an Oscar mike that did not have a problem shooting my health down as I jumped around. When up in the air you are completely vulnerable to long range attacks. Whoever is your long range on your team should take that opportunity to whittle Thorn down.

#21

It all comes down to how much you understand the character you are playing. I have read posts about how terrible Atticus is, yet last night across 3 matches there was an Atticus tearing people to shreds. I also had a Montana in my team that had 10-3 k/d ratio, I have yet to see a Montana do that. As time goes on and people master these characters, I think we will begin to see Battleborn really shine. There are 25 unique toons, it’s going to take a while before their full potential is realized by the masses.

#22

While thorn is surely one of the characters that allow for a monstrous skill ceiling, I don’t think she is overpowered per se. It’s just, well, a high skill ceiling character.
Also, I think it’s very different regarding pc/consoles. On a pc, I see her as maybe the only character in battleborn that can “carry” in the classic sense of the term. But not so much on consoles.
That said, we’ll see, I guess. I predict she will get acknowledged as a character with whom “sky’s the limit”, but I don’t see her breaking the game.
As for Galilea, I will get stoned to death for this, but I don’t see her breaking the game now either. It’s just that she’s well rounded. And also, I’d say that this might have partially to do with the console/pc thing (as in, I’d assume that Galilea is way stronger on consoles).

#23

I feel similar about Galilea and I’m on xbox. To be perfectly honest I think Galilea is bad and I mean like C or D class if she doesn’t have a support and I’m being honest here when I say that. I have over a 5K/D with her before nerf and have only used her a couple times since. I say she doesn’t have much type of team fighting capability against well skilled players. Her small damage AoE and health regen are nothing besides tools to keep her one helix choice active. She can’t start a fight at all. She will be sprayed down by any range character as they backpedal to safety and other range character simply need to leave the desecrate field and use their own abilities after and there isn’t much Galilea can do after except shield and hope for backup.

However, she does have insane defense with her silencing and shield she can hold back enemies for a while and even dish some damage back even if she is being overwhelmed.

But oh man, wait until people find out how to truly use Melka hahaha. I feel like I’m basically unstoppable with Melka as of now. She has two air abilities not one for my playstyle. Her first being the lunge which I find to have sad damage and terrible reliability when it comes to hitting the opponents so I just use that to fly into the air instead and trust me when I say she can cover more ground and can fly higher than even Benedict can. Her second ability however I use for attacking as it can slow and leave a poison field for enemies.

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#24

I agree. I think with the evolution of the “meta”, galilea will slowly but surely fall down. Maybe not like bastion in overwatch, but I feel it could be similar. For those who didn’t play overwatch, bastion is basically the worst character in the game, the ONLY character which can induce people to demonstratively go afk if you even try to pick him in any decent MMR game.
Yet, during the open beta testing, when all hell broke loose, EVERY THREAD was “nerf bastion”. Because bastion is a stationary turret that mows you down if you stand in front of him. And that’s it. Basically, you counter him with every other hero, 1v1, you can toy with him. An average player can toy with a bastion played by superior player. The discrepancy in perceived “opness” and the reality is so large that in the open beta, teams of new players would happily pick like two bastions, which resulted in loss of morale in the other team. When I was on that other team, I simply said to people to play like they usually do and that it’s a free win and that they feel free to report me if we lose:) Then I would proceed to constantly kill both bastions with variety of heroes and we win. And I had people contacting me after the match for teh secret ingredient, which was simply - don’t stand in front of him in mid range because he SERVER THE PURPOSE to shred a tank in half a second in that situation. That’s all. Bastion never sees competitive play, bastion is the only character where you will have afks on your team if you pick him and bastion is the character blizzard admits to failing to design him well and will probably receive not only a buff but a complete overhaul because his kit is simply non-viable.

And yet, evrey single topic in the open beta section was “nerf bastion”.

Now, I am not sure if this is the case with galilea - I played overwatch for like a year and I know very well what I am talking about, but about battleborn, not so much. But it FEELS like it could be something like that. Not to that extent, as I don’t see her as something completely non-viable, but as a same kind of notion.

I am bad at her - although I like playing her - oh the tears of sorrow. But I don’t think I am a bad player in general. It’s just, you can’t do much as her if you aren’t grouping or having a spontaneous communication AND you have a pocked miko or something. You stand there like a tool with your shield, hoping there’s some window to initiate and when you do, you batter that one poor guy, he escapes with like 1hp and you get mowed down instantly by the whole team. Now, I exaggerate a bit, but that’s how it usually goes when I’m playing her. There isn’t much to do with her. If you want to survive, you won’t contribute as much, if you want to contribute, you WILL die.

At least, that’s the way I see it. I have like zero deaths with Montana every time I play him (although I do it rarely, not a fan). I die like flies on Galilea. Sure, I have yet to adapt and stuff, but it’s a bit indicative. Her range is non-existent and her defense is one-trick pony stuff. Her attack is a HUGE commitment and a very real liability.

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