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Are some of us just going to conveniently forget that gearbox said there would be no Microtransactions in the full game and only on the app game?
No?
Ok.
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Guys, stop fighting among each other, stop hating this and that, blaming and pointing fingers everywhere. Today when I logged into Steam, I saw a low count of 500 players in game only. Negativity is slowly invading this community.
Come on, why canāt we all be patience? Iām not defending for GBX, I am like you guys too, have been dissapointed over again and again, I was so frustrated when the price dropped, but I have already paid my money, and I donāt wanna sulk just because things did not go my way. Support the game simply by just playing it! You donāt wanna buy something in the marketplace, then donāt! No one will force you.
Iām sure they have something stored in for us. A major update/patch should be coming very soon for us DDE/SPD holders.
Back in March, there was a link that says GBX plans to have micro-transactions in the future.
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Youāve made this statement a ton of times, basically implying that there is some potential false advertising claim that can be made for adding micro-transactions or not releasing the āentire gameā for free.
While anyone (in the US) can sue anyone for almost any reason as long as a lawyer is willing to take the case, I will tell you right now that based on the language in all standard EULA/Terms and the āsubject to changeā notifications you can read at the bottom of almost every press image in pre-released games, this is not a case worth taking.
Iām not talking specifically about BB here, Iām talking about the strange, new tendency for gamers angry at the way things are released threatening to sue over āfalse advertising.ā There is a rather substantial burden required in cases like this that basically boils down to the company having purposefully misrepresented the product, and as a result caused material harm.
Game companies (all of them, not just GBX/2K) go out of their way to tell all of us that everything they say or do is āsubject to change.ā We all know this, even if we donāt read it. Check any E3 screenshot or video. Check the EULA or Terms. Check the text at the bottom of many Season Pass descriptions. Itās all there to read, even if we donāt always read it.
Now, I donāt want to get into a big back and forth over this, but if you send me a PM, Iāll happily send you some information about false advertising claims that might provide additional context.
My point here is just this:
Our feelings of entitlement donāt always correlate to our ārightsā under contract law, despite what we believe. I would suggest all gamers, in all games read the EULAs/Terms/Privacy Policies and other documentation we agree to before playing games, there is some surprising stuff in there.
Note: The reason this is a ābigā issue for me is that we clamor for more transparency from GBX. One of the reasons they canāt tell us more, one of the big reasons in fact, is because their legal departments arenāt interested in things being taken out of context and used as fodder for lawsuit threats. By continuing to do stuff like this, we are just encouraging developers to remained tight lipped about everything, lest it be interpreted as a āpromiseā
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This is an excellent point. It would be nice to know ahead of time how many skins would be included in the base package.
While a lot of this stuff is probably up in the air for a variety of reasons (it introduces liability [they are now required to do this no matter what]), at least having them commit to X number of skins, would avoid situations like this and put peopleās minds at ease.
Nicely said.
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They did say that they would have microtransactions for cosmetic actions back in Marrch 2016. This is posted on their blog (Iāve emboldened the relevant bit):
[QUOTE]We know that some gamers really love to express themselves through cosmetic customizations that make their heroes stand-out. Thatās why Battleborn has a huge variety of skins and taunts that come with the game at launch, and we will continue to release even more cosmetic customizations post-launch ā some of which we will sell in-game. This kind of optional cosmetic content has absolutely no effect on the gameplay, and helps us keep all the additional heroes, modes, maps, and other features that extend the core gameplay experience, free for everyone. Weāre committed to making sure that you have the means to make your favorite heroes truly your own.[/QUOTE]
This was also covered in a Gamespot article:
So they havenāt sneaked in microtransactions at all, they always said they would be there.
What I think is the real issue is their suggestion (and possibly intention going by the leaked screenshot) that they will also have microtransactions for command rank/character rank/credit boosters. They are also gauging the communityās opinion (presumably) on microtransactions for gear loadouts, bank pages and so on. This is what I think the community should be focusing on communicating to Gearbox about. These are not cosmetic changes, and can potentially have an affect on gameplay. Whilst some people may be less bothered about these, some are very bothered about them.
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I couldnāt agree more with this.
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Well thanks! I still love battleborn, but I was psyched to have a MOBA-like experience with split screen, and loot, AND visual customization in a pay once formatā¦ I hate free to play games, with only a few exceptions, and even those exceptions are missing major points for me. The split screen co-op has been lackluster, the skins are now moving to a paywall formatā¦ Just another bummer in gamingā¦ Iāve been really disappointed in gaming latelyā¦ I was hoping GBX would be an exceptionā¦ Maybe theyāll still pull it off, but Iām not gonna hold my breath, I lost too many brain cells doing that for Bungie.
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The game isnāt doing that hot. If 2k or gbx decides to do micros its to suppport the games development, not to line their pockets ( i hope ). For those of you who talked so highly about supporting the game this is your chance prove your mantle.
If its micros for cosmetics then i donāt whats the big deal.
Thanks for this link people have been arguing with me about the cosmetic only bit.
There you go everyone cosmetic only.
Boosters still not cosmetic so case point this discussion closed?
As another veteran of Destiny (Day One), all I can tell you is to give GBX some time.
Weāre a really passionate community here, and we might be losing track of the fact that they are a medium-sized studio and can only do so many things at one time. Compared to a studio like Bungie, they are relatively small, and if you want my opinion ā theyāve done more work in a month than Bungie did most of Year One (pre-Taken King, which I dug).
If you want them game to be better, keep offering insightful suggestions like you have. Honestly, I think itās the only way we have to affect change.
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This is why iām taking a break from Battleborn for awhile. If they arenāt implemented in a few months I gladly get back into the game.
Donāt worry most of us not all I canāt say that are in a tizzy exclusively about the boosters. I also feel timing could have been a little better but I new micro transaction skins were coming. The problem I have is the boosters which is not cosmetic only which is what we were promised.
I will absolutely be chucking money on the screen on Thursday itās my birthday and my day off work so Iām going to go happy birthday to me take my money.
Now like I said anyone with a differing opinion feel free to argue with me about how you feel Iām incorrect, but I have posted multiple times about how boosters are gameplay adjusting and not cosmetic and I would prefer if you look at those first.
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Donāt forget the link to their own blog that I put in my previous post where it states the same thing (I highlighted the relevant bit in my post).
The discussion isnāt over (arguably it is for microtransactions for cosmetic items as they said theyād add them). Gearbox has asked what people want to see in the marketplace. If you donāt want boosters/gear loadouts/gear pages then people need to say so loudly and clearly (there may be some who do want them and others who are neutral). Aldo people need to voice their opinions about which skins they believe should be free (T1; T1 and some T2) and which should be paid for (T3 only, T3 and some T2).
@MidnightNova I wouldnāt disappear just yet, if you donāt want certain things then you need to be vocal about them, disappearing off and hoping is leaving things in the hands of others who may not want the same thing as youā¦
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Iām not dissapearing off the map completely. Just from the game itself. Iām keeping an eye on things on the forums (since I visit it daily already).
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Thats good - I would miss you here! 
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See my issue now is I feel many of us have made the arguments as they needed to be made. I came from Destiny where they promised cosmetic only then sold boosters and eventually packs which ended up having 335 blue gear with damn nice stat rolls. Iām just waiting now to see how the devs are gauging are responses will they say those opposed are the vocal minority even though the forums suggest otherwise.
The skins argument Iām really not to interested in I knew they would sell them I would arguably like to see them included in packs maybe priced around a new epic loot pack alongside with pay for immediate, but they are in control of that.
Lots of people complained. But they still bought them.
Thatās why were in this messed up situation we are now. Because of people like you itās only going to get worse.
Please talk about the game, not about other users.