BL3 Vault Hunter leader?

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#21

Oh, Mordy and Zer0 are there? Well, Zer0 is a Jakobs man, not an Atlas man. But okay. Mordy definitely is welcome with his old mask and a newfound love for life and Bloodwing 2.

I’m for this. Although it might seem like I’m just a yucky Lillith hater, it would be the next one in line. Although I admit, it wouldn’t end well at all for the team. That’s what would immediately end it for the two. It would be a sad ending but it makes for whatever game comes next to be a totally new story without any of the nostalgia stuff BL2 kinda capitalized on, and possibly BL3.

#22

Well, Zer0’s working for Atlas now, so apparently he is indeed an Atlas man.

#23

I know what you mean, but think about it this way: If we “just” start off as mercenaries, but our mission goes horribly wrong (and our boss got killed for example), we might have a motivation to take revenge for what was done to us. And while we’re at it we will be opening some vaults on the way. The usual Borderlands stuff, you know^^

What I’m talking about is that we just start off as mercenaries, but after the first few story missions we go on on our own.

#24

?? The start of Borderlands 1 was that you were mercenaries, and that was a fine beginning. It felt independent. Then, progressively the characters in borderlands games have gotten more dependent on others for motivation, rather than just wanting to hunt vaults and earn loot.

If we start under Lilith, we aren’t mercenaries anymore, we’re back to being pretty much the same thing from Borderlands 2. Some dumb story about avenging her is just making her the main character Mary-Sue OC of yet another borderlands game. I’m tired of it, it’s getting old. Just have us get hired by Marcus again or something, and leave it at that.

#25

Actually, I’d tell you that it’s just on the down low that you’re doing mercenary missions for people and are only doing it for the loot and cash.

Although the story is driven by the other VH’s, you want to kill Handsome Jack just as much as they do, and Angel seems to have some way to get to that goal. Ignoring the general story missions, you do a lot of crap for people you didn’t have to, cause they’ll pay. It’s just that it’s not connected to a bounty board like it was in BL1.
That was even joked about by Hammerlock when you meet him, “Ah blast, the bounty board is broken! Just send in the missions to me i suppose.” It was intentional to make the game seem less cold and mechanical and focus you on the silly characters unlike BL1 which was 90% reading for said information and personal quirks. I find Burch’s techniques for story telling suck ass, but he did make the story not seem so cold and isolated by that change. Yeah, it does make you see unmotivated, but Mercenaries don’t ever look for work. They’re asked for it.

#26

Roland calls you “Soldier” the whole game. (Until… Well, you know.) That’s less Mercenary, and more originally you were in it for the loot, but now you’re a Crimson Raider blah blah. Truth be told, if we just get hired by someone else, with no motivated revenge quest or militia army, I’ll be happy. Like I said, I’m just sick of Lilith.

#27

Well she’s a bitch but you have to deal with her.
That’s true, but the story isn’t a cold husk about a mercenary and his love for loot.
It’s about mercenaries who love killing people.

Mordy and Brick don’t feel any different than you about it.

#28

Not if she dies. I don’t play the game to be a side-character, and Lilith is practically in the spotlight for more time than the vaulthunter is in 2. She’s even the hero in TPS. It’s shown even better in the quest you meet her in during 2- You go into the arena, and she proceeds to steal all your kills by phasewalking around constantly.

#29

You have some odd standards. You are literally the embodiment of a vault Hunter if you think she’s stealing your kills. There’s a ton of enemies that will likely put you under without support there. You get free exp, and all you did was use a couple magazines. But hey, you ARE acknowledging a problem I didn’t even think about. You’re undercast for a leading powerful lady in most of the story.
There’s moments you can get around it, and Handsome Jack’s kill is optional with you or her, but yeah. Pretty annoying we’re thrown under the bus because Lillith has eridium powers. Burch was a great writer (cannot defend him tho) but he changed way too much for the series.

#30

That’s literally the whole problem I have with it. The Vault Hunters from this game should be the main characters of this game, not the vault hunters from three games ago that have been the main characters for all the games in the middle.

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#31

We don’t have Burch. This helps the next story not be so oriented on her and her powers.

A part of the Crimson Raider dichotomy is that Lillith is too headstrong and stubborn like a bull in a China shoppe, Mordy is very introverted and tends to never express his feelings due to an antisocial nature. Brick is a sociopath who tends to ignore consequence and reason in high stress situations. We don’t know about the other VHs really. They will definitely have some story addressed for them and the current dichotomy.

#32

Yes, yes. I know the BH1 Vault Hunters very well because they’ve been the focus of BL1 and BL2, and in BL2 their characters were written with the subtlety of an insane asylum in which all occupants are given a complementary jackhammer on entry. Honestly, I could do without the BL2 Vault hunters being anything more than basic questgivers in 3- Y’know, the ones that tell you what needs doing and then keep their nose out of it if they aren’t involved? Angel breathing down my neck was bad enough, and then toss on the fact that Jack, at least two BL1 vault hunters, and then the NPC’s actually involved with the quest pitched in their two cents? Just let me, the paid mercenary do the killing and looting I was hired for.

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#33

I’d say his introversion is more due to his asocial mentality. He is fairly antisocial though given his ability to laugh after blasting someone’s head off. Maya seems like she’ll be the promary “questgiver” of this tale… IDK.

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#34

(I love the way you worded this- an analogy from hell)
Thank Burch for that. He’s also why every character tells you they’re gay and act like they’re talking to their best friends. Tiny Tinas VA is his sister and also helped write some of the dialogue. She… didn’t help the Valley Gurl act they have.
Alloy is better NOT writing my games.

#35

Ashley Burch is a hilarious voice actor, and most of Tiny Tina’s stuff is pretty hilarious the first time around. If anything, she was done right in Bl2.

I keep having to add stuff because as I’m typing you’re making two or three edits to each post.

But yeah, I’ve got hopes that the characters are a bit more like BL1’s. TK Baha was a lovely saint, I miss him so much.

#36

Ashley is Anthony’s Burch, the writer’s, sister. Sure she was, I don’t think she was that good (random jibberish and explosion yelling is not funny I’m sorry it’s been FIVE HUNDRED TIMES JUST SHUT HER UP) but she has a memorable character there, more than her other works. It was done right but she wrote other characters, especially in the DLCs which were really really dumb and made no sense.

I do my best to write something so it stays relevant later and isn’t filled with typos. My editing habits are a flaw of mine.

T.K. Baha was literally the only person you met in Borderlands 1 with a personality beyond finding a vault, knowing where their gun is, asking you if you want to be partners when you find Jack ■■■■ in the vault, or acting like one of the characters from Mad Max The Road Warrior. I’m sorry. He made that a little better. And i LOVE Baron Flynt. Just not an original character.

#37

also have you seen my gun?

#38

I’m aware that they are, indeed, related. (The last name keyed me in.) Tiny Tina’s dialogue does amount to more than just yelling gibberish and explosions, though. They captured the mentally-scarred thirteen year old of Pandora hellscape pretty well. Even if you don’t do her side quests- You have the song in her intro, the ridiculous names of the bunny bombs (I think one of them was something stupid like Sexopants), the rap about the train, etc. Also, her mourning over Roland during the D&D DLC was legitimately kinda sad. I don’t know who else she wrote.

Zed and Marcus were pretty funny in BL1. Also, expecting people on Pandora to not want to find the vault is a little far-fetched, don’t you think? Crazy alien loot horde appears out of nowhere on your crime ridden ■■■■■■■■ of a planet, with promises of riches that could get you a nice place somewhere else? Who wouldn’t be focused on that? Although I do agree with you that the way it was didn’t make for a veritable horde of memorable characters, BL2 wasn’t better. Scooter was still cool, but he’s hard to mess up. I’m hard pressed to think of non reoccurring Questgivers that were interesting in BL2, aside from the talking gun.

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#39

I never cared for any of them, honestly. I just have played the game so many times it’s like Groundhog Day and I’m Bill Murray driving the ground hog into the construction pit. I know what happens, I’ve seen it a million times. At least i can drive that damn groundhog into hell with me. I’ve got a great picture on the story, none of the details fret me anymore. I’ve seen them a thousand times. I’m so abstract to them.

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