Well vaughn pretty much runs pandora with his tighty whities. Rhys is busy on… city planet running atlas and having a pissing contest with Katagawa. Jakobs and Hammerlock run Eeden-6.
I guess I see the point. Warlord and CEO are the the new age barefoot and in the kitchen.
Why would he? The story goes out of it’s way to point out he’s completely dependant on Tyreen’s ability to “feed” him. He was always going to be the starscream to her megatron.
Dallas, I met all of them and I’ve spent time with the man in charge of them.
Like… seriously. If that was the joke why did they go off so hard to give him an unrelated brother.
For gods sakes he didn’t even say any trumpisms.
He just has the same initials…
LOL thought so. Final nail in that coffin right there.
This is my new headcanon.
GBX bought Grover Cleveland’s presidential time machine on ebay. Went forward in time, figured out who the next president was going to be, then tried to warn us by making a dumbass cartoon robot who never knows WHEN YOU ACTUALLY NEED ■■■■■■■ SHIELDS.
Genius.
I mean…Pretty sure Wainwright Jakobs was pretty damn Capable. Since he literally shot, and escaped Troy. Also, Troy was a way more dangerous person than Tyreen…
Honestly don’t care about the rest, but not all the men in this game were incompetent…Troy and Wainwright being two as stated.
I don’t think it is agenda so much as commentary and political humor. Political jokes appear in newspapers and on websites all the time. I however, respect people’s opinion and possible choice to be offended.
That said: my opinion of the game is vastly positive. I will say I feel the women as strong as they were - also came dangerously close to being ‘fridged (not frigid)’ if there was a male to profit/gather motivation from their plight/demises.
YMMV
All,
It would seem that the community has made a full effort to laugh at the OPs post, and many have made some very funny posts. But let’s stop “straw manning” the OPs post, and instead “steel man” the post. The OP brings up a valid concern that bothered them about the game. Similar threads have been found several times on these forums, the concern:
“In BL3, female characters are depicted as strong competent leaders, while male characters are depicted as incompetent idiots who fail to do much of anything right.” Slightly paraphrased from:
Additionally:
“The writers for this game seem to have had a feminist and possibly left wing bias”. Paraphrased from:
and
For me, I share the concern that there were no “Roland-esc” men in a leadership position in this game. And I agree that able-bodied, cis-gendered, straight men, who display traditional masculine personalities and behaviorism, were not depicted to be competent leaders or heroes in Borderlands 3.
I can also see the feminist talking points depicted in the game. And I agree that “Daniel Truant” was probably supposed to be a bit of a parody on Donald Trump, one that I found funny. I actually think that Traunt (younger) was the funniest character in all of BL3, and for me at least, IS the highlight of the campaign.
But I can definitely see why the OP was frustrated. Can you really not see it?
Can we please stop equating the existence of female characters with a ‘feminist agenda’. Featuring female heroes is by no means an automatic statement of feminism, and nobody I’ve seen arguing on this thread has really offered much actual evidence that the game is ‘feminist’ other than pointing to the existence of female roles.
I have yet to note any characters pausing to give me a lecture on women’s rights in Borderlands 3. It’s people outside the game who are drawing attention to the fact that they’re female.
And an addendum to that, supposedly weak male roles are also not a derivation of feminism. It’s very much possible to love well-drawn and competent male characters and still want women to have equal pay in the real world. (I’m also not convinced that the men in bl3 are weak… and the people who claim they are seem rather determined to talk men down in a way that seems inconsistent with valuing male identity / its representation in games).
I don’t understand when a story about Sirens which are powerful women, featuring powerful women is bad.
All over, Eden 6 you have Clay, Wainwright, Hammerlock, Pandora you have Vaughn, Rhys is there, the final area you have Typhoon. Marcus is around, Brick, Mordy, and more.
Because it was a story about Sirens and he wasn’t a real one, just the fact they gave a male siren powers is kinda against the whole anti male thing.
I dont think this is true if you add them up.
Why would it?
How is there so much attention being placed on the female presence in the finale?
I genuinely didn’t notice this ‘girl power’ theme everyone is on about until it was harped on.
BL1 almost entirely male PC core, save Lilith, nearly all male enemies save I suppose Steele.
Bl2, again 3/4 male PC core. Commander is a the guy from the last game. Entire game revolves around him, enemy is super charismatic dude who has Handsome literally in his name.
BL3, all female class turns out to be all female, hilarity ensues. You know this is the other side of the same coin? This is no different than people who complain about not enough POC on the show Vikings. You’re confusing circumstance and agenda. The very fact that you’re annoyed by this actually proves what a lot of women have been saying. You may just be intimidated by their presence.
Also. How is it a feminist agenda to have women on the screen? Last I checked the sirens didn’t celebrate the victory by burning their bras.
On one final MAJOR NOTE. As an unapologetic straight male, I noticed that a lot of these complaints are coming from fellow straight males. Guys… gents… bros. You got a finale where the cast was entirely female and clad in post-apocalyptic body hugging armor. You deemed fit to complain. I feel like you’re missing the plot here, friends.
I wish I could like that more than once.
Debateable. Hence the debate.
I used to run this twitter until Trump just started to depress me more than make me laugh. I know a lot of trumpisms. If it was intended as a Trump parody… they used no talking points or phrases that I’m familiar with, referenced none of his policies, gave the character none of his physical attributes, and gave him a personality almost completely counterpoint to trumps. I know I’ve been ■■■■■■■■■■ when I’ve been playing this game but I really honestly cannot see it.
I… very much sincerely don’t.
Now that I know the Dallas team was writing the story things make a lot more sense.
Dallas is 2nd only behind San Fran when it comes to the LGBT scene with a big emphasis on the gay male aspect.
The story has all the hallmarks of a Dallas “liberal” mentality - Very pro-inclusion, while being pro 2nd amendment, and capitalistic.
Folks are seeing some of the common hallmarks of a full on feminist left wing agenda but the reality is it’s just a DFW liberal mentality which is probably to the right of your typical california native conservatives.
So perfect? I just read that as perfect. I like inclusion, comradery, money and boomsticks. So yeah, perfect. Guess the next thing I like is Expedia prices on Dallas.
What about Clay and Typhon?
Lets actually look at the characters featured in this game
Sancturay III 4 men, 6 women
Lilith
Moxxi
Tannis
Maya
Ava
Marcus
Ellie
Earl
Claptrap
Balex
Pandora 3 men, 1 woman
Vaughn
Brick
Mordy
Tina
Eden 6 3 men
Promethia 2 men, 1 woman
Lorelei
Rhys
Zer0
Nekrotafeyo 1 man
Typhon
It doesn’t seem that its more women than men. Sure you can argue villains and screen time but the most of the game was on the planets which were mostly men. Most the villains were men, sure the big bad was a woman and Aurelia but there were way more men.
So how is a game with more time spent with men a leftist feminine agenda, and how is it that a game with almost 70% more men featured possibly girl power?
If masculinity is threatened by a game with merely 70% more men, not 90% then that masculinity isn’t strong at all.
Honestly; It’s not like people haven’t been “Inclusive” before; can we point out Moxxi has been clearly bi-sexual, hell I’d go as far as to say Pansexual, since the day she was introduced in Borderlands 1? It’s been super clear that Gearbox isn’t afraid of providing inclusive characters. They just made it way more apparent here in BL3.
That isn’t a bad thing, it will never be a bad thing. This isn’t some attempt to push males out of the limelight and make an all female borderlands, its an attempt at inclusiveness. ■■■■ sakes, we have 2 Female 2 Male Vaulters instead of the usual 3 Male 1 Female. The whole main story revolves around Sirens, which is an all female class, and has been since Borderlands 1.
Anyone getting butt hurt over this is kinda insecure in their own masculinity as its been this way way longer than Borderlands 3.
I have never been so confused as I am in this thread. Genuinely boggling my mind. I do not know what is being argued here, only that it is being argued.
I was born in Italy in the 80’s.
If you told me straight men in 2019 could walk in to a house party that is majority female and go; “What is with all these ladies? Is there an agenda going on up in here? Feminism has run amok.” I’d have laughed.
I would’ve laughed.
I’m not laughing now.
To be fair, Claptrap, Balex, and Zero are about as “he” as window’s 10 is a “he”
