But it’s not weird at all.
What if someone leaks your book you’ve worked on for YEARS? even if it’s “just a trailer”, that person still leaked years of your work to make money out of it.
This is the exact same thing SupMatto did.
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Do you know what playing devil’s advocate actually means?
"In common parlance, the phrase playing devil’s advocate describes a situation where someone, given a certain point of view, takes a position they do not necessarily agree with (or simply an alternative position from the accepted norm), for the sake of debate or to explore the thought further using a valid reasoning that both disagrees with the subject at hand and proves their own point valid. "
Therefore I can play devil’s advocate without actually defending 2K/TT.
the fact that you would get rid of your own fun for something happened to a person that you don’t know, you don’t know that what he said is compleatly true and this said person doesn’t even care about you is actually sad tbh.
What do you personally care about this situation? does it make a good game less “fun” because of something that doesn’t even concerned you or your enjoyment of said game? This is just your loss.
No, it isn’t at all.
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Did he leaked something that no one should’ve known? yes.
Did he monetized it? yes.
it doesn’t matter who leaked it first, he took the leak and made it bigger bringing it to youtube and to all other youtubers to take the same leak and use it for their own videos tiying him to the leak itself when all the other youtubers started to say “this leak comes from submatto, go follow him he’s a good borderlands youtuber” making him do even more money and gain even more popularity over this leak.
the guy that leaked this information to him or everyone else is probably fired by now.
If a company notices that someone is spreadding leaks that souldn’t be out it’s their job to make the leak stop.
Again: maybe they could’ve chose other ways to stop him? for sure. i agree with that.
But SubMatto is no saint in this drama.
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He has a job.
Also correct me if i’m wrong but isn’t this whole “gettin paid” thing from Youtube themselves?
As I understand it you start earnin money if your channel starts to get so and so big.
It’s not like he said to himself "I will give this information and before long I will swim in money "
Also if I remember correctly he wasn’t long on Twitch. He made an account after he was mistakenly not allowed to stream on Youtube for a month(Just stream).
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He is still active in his personal twitter account. I think he is done as a a content creator and will focus on other things like pursuing his MBA degree.
This is from one of his discord moderator.
“At that time we didn’t think we did anything wrong…a lot of the other information was from several inside sources that had talk to him”
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Yeah but youtube can’t go watch all the videos uploaded to their platform and then go ask the company if it’s fine if they pay this guy that made a leak…
Submatto was and i think still is (untill youtube deletes his account if the 63 strikes are really a thing) being paid over the leaks he did.
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I won’t say that SupMatto is innocent, but he is, by factual definition, not the leaker, more the reporter of a leaking source. This distinction makes a difference in many countries as he cannot, depending on the law in place, be made fully accountable for a leak. That will also probably be the reason why he even had the opportunity to make a statement. Otherwise he might have already been in custody at the time.
Edit: Sure, for the common perception there is little to no difference between the person working on the inside and giving away info and the person that reports on it. For law enforcement however there can be a huge difference.
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I don’t know the laws there where he lives but i wouldn’t say “by factual definition”.
He leaked stuff he shouldn’t have.
This automatically doesn’t make him innocent.
As far as I know a leaker is a person that has and makes public secret info and/or non-public knowledge that was given by legitimate means (i.e. workplace, company secrets etc. which is almost certainly what we’re dealing with here) and that are not meant for publication and mostly even forbid by contractual obligation.
But, yeah I guess factual definition isn’t the right term.
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That’s also what tips me of. If there are dozen of people who have even more “secret” leaks don’t you think we would know the whole story, final boss, who dies etc. by now.
The Fl4k leaks are not the reason he got what he got, tho.
they started investigating on him because months and months ago he made leaks about stuff no one shoul’ve know.
And he was the first to tell in those videos that “this leak comes from someone inside the gearbox staff”.
for what i know Take-two was investigating on him for 10 whole months about the leaks.
Still Take Two doubling down on erasing him AFTER this got puplic is very odd and childish. If they are in their right they could have done it much earlier.
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He could be held accountable for the late-2018-material, but that is mostly it.
When it comes to the Discord I can’t say anything as I wasn’t part of it, but every single voice I hear that talks about it seems to dismiss those allegations. Upper Echelon Gamers even said he had a - to him at least - believable source that was part of said Discord and says that those allegations are completely baseless.
The huge problem I have is that due to the whole thing being shut down, it is much harder to prove or disprove the allegations.
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That i can totally agree on.
they could’ve just give him a single strike and stick up with it.
63 strikes are a bit of an unnecessary overkill.
He could’ve learned from his mistakes and with him all the other “leakers”.
Yes it is childish and yes it is unnecessary. absolutely.
On this i personally think that mybe there aren’t any laws about leaking stuff so they thought on blaming him on those baseless ones?
i legit don’t know the laws there and i don’t think there is any law to this day about leaks.
I agree on this.
they should give him the right of answer to this allegations and give him the chance to learn from his mistakes.
Deleting someone to cover it all it’s something wrong to begin with.
Again, he wasn’t the leaker. They were investigating a leaker, but HE wasn’t the leaker. He didn’t leak anything - he’s not the leaker. They weren’t investigating HIM - they were investigating leaks.
Yes, EXACTLY - they wanted to know who was leaking stuff . He didn’t leak ANYTHING. (Also, he didn’t say exactly something that specific, it was a more general “a reliable source” or “an inside source”.)
He isn’t the person they’re after. honestly, it’s getting frustrating that there are people who don’t understand the basic situation here and are like “SupMatto is a villain and he leaked this stuff and he deserves whatever happens to him bla bla bla” and he didn’t leak anything and he’s not even who they’re after. He’s a Youtuber, a fan, and they crushed him for inconveniencing them.
It doesn’t work like that tho.
It doesn’t matter who started the leaks.
He heard or talked to someone that made the leaks and he took them and putted them on the internet for all to know.
This doesn’t make him more innocent or doesn’t mean that because someone talks to you, a big borderlands youtuber about something that no one should know, you can go the next day on the internet and spill the beans.
He’s part of the problem.
The guy that leaked stuff to begin with is probably being sued and fired right now if gearbox didn’t already do that.
But this doesn’t mean that he can say everything he wants about something that isn’t his.
Depending on the law in place it does. I know of cases where people freely talked about their workplace secrets and had not been sued due to them not signing an NDA. This wasn’t in the US so it could easily not apply here, but there are countries that judge solely on the base of signing contractual agreements, that’s why even the most unimportant and uninvolved people have to sign certain paragraphs in their contract, so that they can be held accountable if they talk too much.