Seriously, Iām gone for two hours and this forum explodes to the point where a Dev has to get involved!?
Eesh work takes me out of all of the fun.
Okay, letās see here, where do I start. First off, this one goes to you @BookEmDano. Iāve been reading these threads that Charrisx has been putting out, and hell, Iāve even helped him with gathering a little bit of the information in some of them, so let me enlighten you to his frustration.
Since day 1 of the Jakobs thread that he posted, he has had people telling him that āhis build isnāt originalā, or that itās āa build that so simple a child can playā, or that itās āonly good for āthis or thatā and doesnāt work well doing other thingsā, and especially saying, ābut that skill sucks, or that com sucks, use this one instead and it will increase your DPS, or your damage per shot, or your survivability.ā
When he posted his Jakobs build, he didnāt expect people to immediately flock to it, but what he did expect is for people to do their due diligence when contesting him on the forums to back up what theyāre claiming with evidence, and not say what in many cases has amounted to, ānu-uh, this wayās better,ā or , āit was like that in Borderlands 2.ā
He has in fact asked many times that people back up what theyāre claiming with evidence, or to make a simple video explaining what it is theyāre claiming, or to even point to an official report or posting to what it is that is being claimed. This request has been largely ignored. I can guess reasons as to why that has been ignored, but as I am not any of those people, I wonāt.
Now, having said that, Charrisx and I have learned a few things that at the time of his original post, we simply did not know. We have learned and adjusted our viewpoints when what we thought was contested, and we were wrong in what we thought was the case. One of the primary reasons that he posted his original post was to see if there was anything better out there.
And to put this one to rest, his build is unique. I use the word unique specifically, because even I have to agree that it is not an original build. Jakobs builds are not anything new, not within any borderlands games. The reason I can call it unique is because he could not find another build on the internet that utilized the skills in the way that he did. He was able to find a few that were similar, but none that were the same.
Credit where credit is due, heās optimized Nishaās Jakobs build to a point where it works with all Jakobās guns. Iāve heard talk of, ābut the Luck Cannon,ā and while it may be arguably the best Jakobs gun in the game, itās still only 1 of the many Jakobs guns that this build works with.
I personally donāt see that build getting much better, if any. He has already incorporated tweaks and changes as people brought them up and it made sense (see the Shield of Ages), and has tested and re-tested comparisons to the skills that others were saying are better (and has found them extremely lacking in most to all cases).
As to this thread, he plays Nisha, and with how many times that his Jakobs build has been compared to an automatic build, he decided to create a completely separate thread with a completely separate build, and again, the same thing that happened in his Jakobs build happened in his automatic build, that is the whole, āuse this itās better,ā but when he asks how and why, most canāt or donāt prove why they say that, and once again leave the burden of proof to the person whoās thread it is in stead of the person whoās claiming that another ability is or could be better.
As to calling him antagonistic, your post three hours ago was basically taking off the gauntlet and throwing it at his feet. You try having anything that you feel strongly about, a build in BL:TPS or otherwise, constantly refuted with little to no evidence, and then have someone basically tell you that your stating what you believe you have proven to be as correct as you can put it is useless information.
As to if he can see how broken his build is, THATāS THE POINT! Heās trying to say that this is the strongest build (first Jakobs then automatics) for Nisha and list out the reasons why he feels that way.
Alright, @Chuck80, youāre next. Iāve gotta admit, you have brought up some fairly good points across both threads. If Charrisx hasnāt, Iād like to thank you for giving us (mostly him) information to chew on, and prove/disprove.
As to what youāve recently commented on, about the speed of a build being the basis of its value, you of all people on these threads should know that speed is not the only basis on which Charrisx has placed emphasis on. He has made comments about ammo consumption and conservation, he has commented on using the right weapon for the right situation (as opposed to the same weapon at all times), and has stated (at least when him and I have spoken) about the differences in DPS and damage per bullet. Speed is simply a decent benchmark that can be more readily understood by many people.
As to Eclipse/EOS, they are a great boss to test on. They have shields, they have a ton of HP, and there are plenty of people out there who know their mechanics and know how difficult the boss can be. Much of the testing done was done against him because heās such a difficult opponent.
The ātheory craftingā portion of the testing, when he needed raw numbers in a āsterileā environment was done in the shooting range of deck 13.5 because there was no outside interferences, being knocked back, knocked down, etc. etc.
While they run similar engines, Borderlands TPS and Borderlands 2 released nearly 2 years apart. In two years there are always advances to be made, and to assume that the gameās developers wouldnāt try to fix some of the bugs and glitches that were found in a previous game is, to me, ignorant.
Feel free to comment on any aspect of his builds that you wish, from speed to damage output, from ammo consumption to if freezing an enemy is better, just have the data to support what you claim (or at least a way for it to be confirmed).
