That mistake had been there for years!
That mistake had been there for years!
I’ve thought about adding it, and the Magic Missile as well. I decided against it to keep the text lighter.
Ultimately, the build doesn’t require a grenade and anything good with Sal in general would work. So in that section, I just recommend to go have a look at the Top Gear for grenades and shields (which does feature the Chain lightning)
Looks fantastic Chuck. Thanks for all you do. You’re the sole reason I still love Sal. After coming across your build(Deputy Sal) and all the little variations within the Deputy Sal “umbrella” breathes life into this character for me. I moved to Maya after being burnt out on the pistol build I had used for so long. I’m converted and have never looked back.
Edit: at this point in the games lifespan I have now been playing as Dep Sal for longer than the old pistol build I rocked.
It’s players like you who motivate me to keep this updated in the first place
While it’s only been few sessions, I’m finding myself going into FFYL far less often with the Brawn version, compared to the old Bus version (with FotF and NE Monk) that I used to unlock OP8. I’ve been using Evolution with either Altered Beast or Legendary Berserker.
So far, I’m preferring the cooldown reduction and faster movement of Legendary Berserker better (the difference in health vs Altered Beast was negligible). I was afraid FttB bonus on it would increase the ROM mag size too much, but it only went up to 4.
I am curious which is better for the actual health regen - HtK bonus vs health & Sexual T-Rex bonus.
Thanks again for the great build!
I take that to mean : which is the better COM for health regen, the Leg Berserker or the Beast?
@kbk160008 is the author of the Beast build and has concluded that the Beast (with a health relic) is the COM of choice for a no-Moxxi build. Check it out!
I will always love the Leg Berserker no matter what : the movement speed and the possibilities that 10/5 in FttB can offer…aside from the health, cooldown, Incite and the fact that you can switch to melee by just changing guns, shield and relic.
Edit : I just tried the two back to back at Sawtooth (which is one of the more insane places to go with no Moxxi and no FFYL weapons) and I have to admit the L Berserker does it for me. The duck and weave you get from the extra movement speed seems to offset the reduced health and Sexy T.
This reminds me that I should update my Forever in Pain build to include the L. Berserker as that is what Reverend Pain use most of the time now…
What is it?
You’ll find a link under Misc. here:
Deputy Sal noob here and I have some questions. Did my best to read through the thread but couldn’t find what I’m looking for.
My Sal just hit 72, I tell the story in the WDYDT thread. I’ve been putting together a Deputy build and everything is coming together nicely. I’m really enjoying using this build and it’s probably kept me from abandoning Sal (I’m so tired of the Harold/Rubi combo).
I’m using the Brawn build at the moment. For my shotguns I have a Huntin Coach and Well Kept Triquetra. Both with Jakobs Stocks. Problem is when I put 5/5 in FttB I get the Moneyshot every third shot as opposed to every other shot. To circumvent this I’ve put only 3 points in FttB, but this means I have to put 2 in Inconceivable to continue down the tree. The guide says to NEVER put anything in Inconceivable. While I understand this, it does seem to be working as expected other than having to manually reload on occasion. What am I over-looking? How do I have 5/5 in FttB and still have the moneyshot every other shot? I see 5/5 in FttB for all the builds. As soon as I put 4 in, I get that third shot.
Also above I saw some talk of the use of a Kitten. I actually had a slag Kitten on a Mule and decided to give it a try. Worked well, but I’m pretty sure it has a Dahl grip. Is the Vladof grip desirable for the fire rate? Would a Chaotic Evil COM correct this? Right now I only have the Lawful Evil as it’s the only one I’ve been able to find so far.
Lastly, thanks for this awesome thread, it’s been very informative an insightful. It’s gotten me excited about using Sal.
Since you’re mainly using a slag Kitten to (1) apply slag and (2) benefit from the health recovery off the damage from your other weapon and grenades, fire rate isn’t that big of a deal. If you were using it as your primary weapon for dealing damage (Kitten Gaige, for example) it would be a bit different. That said, a Vladof grip should give the highest DPS, and Dahl would be on the low end, so if you have a choice…
Thanks, Got it. I actually plan on using a slag Rubi most of the time. The Kitten was just an afterthought as I had it on one of my mules. Come to think of it I may have another one…The litte that I used it, it was quite effective…
Do you mean Jakobs grips?
The Triquetra normally has a larger than average mag size, so it’s no surprise. I’ve managed to crank it up to 15 with COM, matching grip and relic.
Blue Coach Guns are often recommended as they’ll have a smaller mag size. Or the Orphan Maker of course (only with Bandit or Jakobs grip).
Spec-ing Inconceivable isn’t the worst thing ever with a couple points - you just have to be aware if you get reload stalling to manually reload.
Yes…that’s what I meant…typo.
Ok…makes sense. I’ve gotten the stalled reload and it’s really not unmanageable so I’ll deal with it and eventually(hopefully) farm up a ROM.
As I already stated many times. My “Deputy version” is very loose on the defenition and I do have inconceivable 4/5 . Just need to pay attention at what’s going on. Was annoying when I didn’t knew what was going on but now it’s a non issue.
(I might spec out of it thou. Despite the occasional Money Shot chain. Probably had it because of a COM at some point.)
You will, on both counts. I used a purple coach gun for a bit before I decided to get a ROM, and it wasn’t terrible with the longer wait for the money shot. In the meantime, listen to @Jefe. Keep your eyes out for a coach gun (or any Jakobs shottie. Just equip it to see what the mag is in practice) with an appropriate mag size, and then you’re golden. I’m not sure that FttB changes the left hand mag size, and that’s the hand where you need the smaller mag. I’m specced to the hilt in it, and my ROM is 3 (card value) in the left hand and 5 in the right.
Mine started out very loose as well, but the closer I followed the guidelines the better the results.
Being that I really like the Triquetra I suppose I’ll have to deal with it.
I’m alternating between the Triquetra and a purple coach and getting pretty fantastic results.
Unfortunately it does, I was hoping that was the case but I checked it…not a huge deal.
I was able to get the Chaotic Evil COM, but in purple. Evidently the blue is better in that it has +6 Moneyshot. This one will do for now.
Everything I’ve had to get for this Deputy build has come pretty easily so I’ll do a couple runs for the ROM, maybe I’ll get lucky like I did with everything else. It’s just such a tedious farm.
Maybe it’s something to do with the math, like there’s a minimum mag size for %boosts to make a difference. For instance, I know that it doesn’t boost a mag size 2 ROM to three, but maybe it can boost a mag of 4 to 5. @Jefe ported this thread here and it’s not listed there. Maybe that should be added? Or maybe I read the list wrong and it’s of things that don’t work (highly likely. My head is stuffy and I might not be thinking too clearly. Go decongestants!)?