#460

Do you mean Jakobs grips?
The Triquetra normally has a larger than average mag size, so it’s no surprise. I’ve managed to crank it up to 15 with COM, matching grip and relic.

Blue Coach Guns are often recommended as they’ll have a smaller mag size. Or the Orphan Maker of course (only with Bandit or Jakobs grip).

Spec-ing Inconceivable isn’t the worst thing ever with a couple points - you just have to be aware if you get reload stalling to manually reload.

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#461

Yes…that’s what I meant…typo.

Ok…makes sense. I’ve gotten the stalled reload and it’s really not unmanageable so I’ll deal with it and eventually(hopefully) farm up a ROM.

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#462

As I already stated many times. My “Deputy version” is very loose on the defenition and I do have inconceivable 4/5 . Just need to pay attention at what’s going on. Was annoying when I didn’t knew what was going on but now it’s a non issue.

(I might spec out of it thou. Despite the occasional Money Shot chain. Probably had it because of a COM at some point.)

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#463

You will, on both counts. I used a purple coach gun for a bit before I decided to get a ROM, and it wasn’t terrible with the longer wait for the money shot. In the meantime, listen to @Jefe. Keep your eyes out for a coach gun (or any Jakobs shottie. Just equip it to see what the mag is in practice) with an appropriate mag size, and then you’re golden. I’m not sure that FttB changes the left hand mag size, and that’s the hand where you need the smaller mag. I’m specced to the hilt in it, and my ROM is 3 (card value) in the left hand and 5 in the right.

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#464

Mine started out very loose as well, but the closer I followed the guidelines the better the results.
Being that I really like the Triquetra I suppose I’ll have to deal with it.

I’m alternating between the Triquetra and a purple coach and getting pretty fantastic results.

Unfortunately it does, I was hoping that was the case but I checked it…not a huge deal.

I was able to get the Chaotic Evil COM, but in purple. Evidently the blue is better in that it has +6 Moneyshot. This one will do for now.

Everything I’ve had to get for this Deputy build has come pretty easily so I’ll do a couple runs for the ROM, maybe I’ll get lucky like I did with everything else. It’s just such a tedious farm.

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#465

Maybe it’s something to do with the math, like there’s a minimum mag size for %boosts to make a difference. For instance, I know that it doesn’t boost a mag size 2 ROM to three, but maybe it can boost a mag of 4 to 5. @Jefe ported this thread here and it’s not listed there. Maybe that should be added? Or maybe I read the list wrong and it’s of things that don’t work (highly likely. My head is stuffy and I might not be thinking too clearly. Go decongestants!)?

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#466

That’s a bit min/max imo. I like the purple because it gets you some free Brawn protection and you’re only losing one point (if you happen to get +5 M$, +3/4 Sexy, +3/4 Asbestos). Asbestos is worth a point if a COM will boost it and Sexy T is actually viable at 8/5+. Besides you’re already getting extra crit from the Evil prefix.

5/5 FttB gives 25% but I can’t remember if it will round up. For example, if a mag of 3 (3 x 1.25= 3.75) will become 4. Not sure. But a 4 will become 5.

That list is as complete as I can make out with the exception of skills. There are a bunch of skills missing from that that I’ve been meaning to get to for months. Maybe I’ll do just that tonight.

This is more relevant to my Jakobs build, but there might be some tips in here:

Ignore the first half.

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#467

I actually got +3MS +5 Sexy +4 Asbestos…might be better off with the lawful evil that has +5MS +3 Asbestos +4 Sexy…hmmm

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#468

Oh definitely.

This is why I love Sal : he’s the most simple, basic character on paper. Shoot gun good , shoot two guns gooder - insert Beevis and Butthead laugh. But he is by far the most complicated character of them all.

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#469

Well, let’s say it was a 25% boost:

  • Mag size = 2: 25% = +0.5 so new size is 2.5 - possibly gets rounded down?
  • Mag size = 4: 25% = +1.0 so new size is 5 - not going to be rounded

That’s just numbers plucked out of thin air, but it gives a pretty good idea of what might be going on.

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#470

Just to confirm :

  • Mag size 2 does not round up. Deputy players are painfully aware that only a Jakobs or Bandit grip will give two shots to an Orphan Maker. All other grips require a relic with mag size boost or a Leg Berseker to get F2tB to 10/5 (+50%)
  • Mag size 3 also does not round up - it remains 3 ( 3.75 with 5/5 or +25% ).
  • Mag size 4 becomes 5 of course
  • Mag size 5 becomes 6 (6.25)
  • Mag size 6 becomes 7 (7.5 does not round up)
  • etc

Also I just tested the few remaining skills that seemed to be missing from the Things That Don’t Work on Offhand Guns thread and will add them to the OP as an editor’s note.

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#471

I can confirm that 5/5 Fttb will push 4 to 5 mag size.

That’s why I recommend a BLUE coach gun instead of a purple one. (Blue has a mag size of 3)

Only 1 point in Inconceivable is enough to mitigate that (so 4/5 Fttb will leave it at 4) and the odds of getting the free shot are low enough to manage. I would recommend that you don’t use a RR if you go this route to minimize the odds of proc. Go with a Neo or Evo instead.

Yes, the Kitten is a great choice, no the grip doesn’t matter that much. But I favor the Vladof grip not because of the fire rate, but because of the matching grip bonus. (If the grip matches the gun manufacturer, you get extra mag size and better reload speed. That’s true of all guns in the game BTW)

And finally your COM: as long as it boosts money shot, it’s a good one :slight_smile:
Some people use the Beast Com and it doesn’t even boost money shot at all and they’re doing great.

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#472

I completely agree.

If you’re using a Brawn version, a purple com is a better choice than a blue one.

I should probably edit the OP

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#473

It doesn’t round up.

At 25%, 3 will stay 3, 4 will become 5

4/5 Fttb and 1/5 Inconceivable will fix that.

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#474

Didn’t even occur to me to use purple Evil Monk COM. Methinks I’ll be farming for one.

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#475

It’s intended as a list of things that DON’T work, with a smattering of exceptions where there are inconsistencies.

If it isn’t listed, it probably works.

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#476

Yup!

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#477

@Sljm @DeputyChuck

I realized that when the pseudoephedrine haze lifted and decided to leave my foot in my mouth rather than attempt to erase my shame. But seriously, thank you both for all of the work that you guys have done. Truly, you are the giants upon who’s shoulders my vault hunting successes stand.

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#478

Finally got myself a purple Evil Monk COM after opening chests in the Unassuming Dock for several hours (+5 M$, +4 Asbestos, +4 Sexy T). Any suggestion on which skill I should shave 1 point off so I can put one in Asbestos?

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#479

That’s the COM I use and this is the build that goes with it.

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