Now we just need pimp builds with the
Other alternative for shields could be an Evolution or Neogenator (and with this much shield delay and self-ignition the shield’s capacity becomes irrelevant), not as high on hit-points as a Rough Rider but at least you won’t be using a FotF…
Alternative for the COM should be Torch, not toast: The Pimp gets nothing from PiP
Pressed like
and the pantsless pimp, you forgot that
i’ve never tested an evo or a neo in op8, yet works nicely at 72
forgot that the toast do that, my bad
So do I. I like his cowboy hat as well.
@ the build: 
They need a gun called Slickback. Because…
What is wrong with using FotF btw? Just curious.
Nothing wrong per se, but it’s been done before…often
The FotF puts Psycho players in the same sack with sham-fleeting anarchy-Mechros players.
Then there is the rule-of-thumb for situations where you could use a FotF: You simple do not, absolutely, under no circumstances, ever, use it
never
for real
;_;
Yep. If you like it, use it. But there are better shields for K, the best being the Rough Rider.
I named that combo “Flamenozzle” (FoTFH+Grog)
Same here btwm I don’t like it, Krieg feels too generic running with the FoTFH in lv72 to 80. Yet it’s understandable at early game.
I will never agree with statements like these about Fotf. Its nothing like shamfleeting. It is maybe somewhat cheap if used together with nozzle.
I do agree tho about shamfleeting, that is cheap as ■■■■.
Krieg is probably the only character which can get the most out of Fotf, so why not use that to your advance?
If you feel its cheap… dont use grog nozzle, simple as that.
Like it or not, It haves the perfect synergy with K. Sometimes i think devs designed his hellborn tree with Fotf on their minds.
That is true.
That’s true. But I like my runs hard xD
That’s possible as hell.
I wouldn’t use either FotF or a Grog, simple as that… I like to interact with the game in more ways than just through the movement keys.
And by the looks of Krieg’s creation process from the old inside the box articles I think it’s safer to say that hellborn has more to do with Bl1’s burning psychos and how to get something good out of being ignited.
I havent expressed myself well. What ive meant is that i have the feeling that the whole Krieg character is made with fotf in mind.
2 skills which give - to shield delay. No other character have skills like that. Gaige or Zero would have much more use of a skill like that. Best melee setup for krieg does not include roid shield at all, but a shield with no capacity, rendering the 2 aforementioned skills partially useless.
Take not that krieg is released before grog, so blame grog for making fotf cheesy, not other way around. Grog made a lot of things cheesy and cheap.
If you’re talking about Feed the Meat and Embrace the Pain, then you’re wrong: FtM is always active regardless of what shield you have and EtP is only active while your shield is down. You also have Empty the Rage, which gives a bonus when your shield is down, and Salt the Wound, which is only active when you take health damage - when your shield is down. K can get a lot of use out of a FH, but I still say a RR is better because of the extra health and DR - a lot of Krieg’s skills work better the more health he has (RtB, Elemental Empathy, melee in general, etc.)
what ive meant is regarding the roid shields for roid bonus. I am fully aware what each skill does and how you can put it to good use.
Salt the Wounds is also (partially) synergetic with a depleted shield.
Regarding the best setup for a melee, the Rough Rider is the best at the op levels due to the poor scaling of StV’s damage-to-self (then again, who would guess op levels would come); At op0 the choice of roid vs health is optional as is to-StV-or-not due to how Krieg’s Buzzaxe modifier was implemented… His independence of roid was for necessary for balance reasons.
But I guess this is digressing a bit from the original question of how good the FotF is… it gets the offensive done but I rather have the extra survivability from damage reduction and total health.