Cloud kill is... OP?!

Borderlands 2 Maya the Siren
#23

Itā€™s glorious. I spent an hour doing Washburne runs yesterday.
I eventually got myself killed trying to shut down Hypeā€™s minions with CK alone, but I kind of saw that coming. I had to try.

Helios and Ruin both do more work in and of themselves, as well. Helios still annoys me and I generally avoid it, but for my Maya freshplays this opens up the tree nicely.

Zer0ā€™s Unforseen got a buff as well, Joshhixbt showed it taking out at least trash mobs on OP8.
That was with slag and kunai, but stillā€¦

Gaigeā€™s boosts seem less satisfying so far, although I only had time for a quick run. The most useful one might be Shock Storm, but thereā€™s plenty to work out still.

And Iā€™m stuck behind a ruddy desk for several more hours (TĖ·T)

#24

I wouldnā€™t say CK is OP at all, at least not in OP8. I tested it out in Arid Badlands and, while finally useful, I still needed to use a gun to finish off Loaders. Itā€™s not as though I could just shoot them once and walk away. Itā€™s finally worth speccing a point in there but itā€™s not the magic bullet itā€™s being made out to be. Thumbs up to GBX for finally making alternative Cataclysm builds a viable option

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#25

I donā€™t really think anyone is saying that and meaning it, itā€™s just a new-found revelation to have it go from a few K to millions.

#26

Well.

Looks like Iā€™m going to revise my planned build a bit.

#27

Umā€¦ In the video above, all the level 79 loaders did get one-shot with the Grog and CK. The level 80 ones were one DoT tick away from death. So it does have absolute potential to flat-out kill enemies.

#28

OK, Cloud Kill is now up there with Converge as a must have :wink:

#29

Hi all,

I specced into cloud kill at level 29, and used it on Dukinoā€™s Mom. I was getting around 1500 damage on the first ticks, finally stopping at 3. It absolutely destroyed her.

Simon

PS also confirmed in the firing range with different guns.

#30

It can no longer hurt you

Before

After

I did do that

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#31

I did manage to put a Dot on myself twice but only when stood right next to the target so itā€™s never going to be an issue.

#32

I stood in the middle of it many times and nothing, are you sure that wasnā€™t an enemy or a reflected bullet?

#33

It only happened when I procced it right next to myself, walking into the cloud did nothing.

I went to Southern Shelf, killed the first group of bandits except for one and then specced only into Foresight, Flicker and Cloudkill Phaselocked him and shot him with a Grog Nozzle.

Repeated it several times but only got a dot twice so maybe I didnā€™t notice something.

#34

Iā€™ll try it that way and shoot enemies point blank

#37

Whatā€™s the over/under on this getting taken down a notch or two and in what timeframe?
My new maya is just ridiculous with this, Iā€™m wasting lvl 22 badass loaders in opportunity at lvl 19 with a dinky tediore pistol I picked up just to see if I could
Just wondering asā€¦
a) I donā€™t want to get too used to this if itā€™s gonna go away
b) with FO3 only a day away I was planning on splitting my time between BL2 and that, but if the getting is good I kinda feel compelled to rush this toon while I can
Figured some folks more familiar with the devā€™s typical approach to things might be able to shed some light
Because this seriously feels broken, not that Iā€™m complaining lol

#38

Its broken and useless before the patch. But now, not anymore. :dukeaffirmative:

#39

You were right, if it procs right in your face you can get hit by it

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#40

I hope they donā€™t nerf Cloud Kill after this patch. It may seem very strong pre-50, but in UVHM I think it feels just right so far.

#41

It definitely can hit you or your teammate, I was co-oping and kept getting a corrosive DOT on me even though there werenā€™t any enemies shooting corrosive weapons.

#42

Iā€™ve now used Cloudkill extensively at UVHM, and I feel that it is very balanced at OP8. I donā€™t notice it much against red bar enemies, slagged or otherwise. Thatā€™s not to say that itā€™s not doing anything, but the reality in those situations is that Iā€™m not standing around, waiting for Cloudkill to melt them. I fight them just as I always have, and that is as it should be.

I notice it against slagged, armored enemies, if there is a break in my shooting, such as a reload. More often than not, I donā€™t pause to observe it. Again, I usually play exactly as I have before.

Here is where I notice it:

Invincible Son of Crawmerax, Dukinoā€™s Mom.

In those fights, the DoT + Grog Nozzle gives me a little lift, allowing a slightly larger margin for error. In each fight, I still have to play it near perfect, but can now at least survive a (small) hiccup. It hasnā€™t put me over the top trying to solo Craw, but Iā€™m getting closer. As for Dukinoā€™s Momā€¦ Sheā€™s still going to drop Maya if she starts with the shock ball spam and the playerā€™s timing is off, but Iā€™ve become more consistent getting through that room in the Peak. I still have to use the right gear, the right plan, and clean execution.

All in all, it has been exactly what it should be: a useful tool, which doesnā€™t break the game.

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#43

Ive noticed it a lot with converged slagged groups, they die a lot faster now

#44

Yeah, weā€™ll call the unique experience of cloudkilling a clump of loaders, ā€œDerchkakkeā€. Itā€™s a good time for the whole gang.

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