Speaking of streaming, wish I could stream but I’m on PC. 
Crossplay PC vs PS4?
Join my team. I still haven’t played with you fam.
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I really want to play with you guys too but I can’t play 100% w/ controller (since I hardly practice with it, lol). They need crossplay 
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I agree with you. Recently I was playing with someone on a meltdown match and we were in a 5 man group. The opposition was inexperienced (at least in comparison to the team I was on) and so naturally we were winning. Then someone says “don’t buy any elite bots” to which I replied “why not?”. “Because we don’t need them” he replied. I’m sure most of you can see where this was going. I won’t write the entire conversation verbatim but to summarize I told him that I don’t condone ignoring objectives. Especially if it is to farm kills off of noobs. This person started getting hostile and defensive toward me and even went so far as to throw insults and speculations about my religious affiliation. I won’t be playing with him again and I even reported him (something that I have not felt the need to do before) for his unsportsmanlike conduct highly offensive comments toward me. I play to have fun and make friends. Not to alienate anyone and I don’t feel like I need to rub salt in the wounds of the less experienced in order to enjoy myself. I don’t want to play with anyone who does. These people pollute the community with their behavior and make it a unwelcome environment for newcomers. I urge people to stand up to these people and if you are one of these people I urge you to try to look at your behavior from the perspective of those that you would exploit for your enjoyment.
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I’d personally argue against using elite bots in that situation as well but that’s because your team not buying bots means that if they’re smart enough to figure out the elite bots are a big potential advantage for them(one of my meltdown strategies is spamming elitebots) but I understand why you were doing it to end it fast
We were in no danger of losing at that point. We had them pushed all the way to their spawn. I don’t think it’s fun to kill players the moment they leave the safety of their spawn point. I wasn’t buying bots the whole time but I felt no need to drag it out for the sole purpose of crushing an already beaten team. Besides, I had all my gear up and a surplus of shards.
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Again I stand corrected, I’d do the same in that situation
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that’s just you personally. That’s an example of where it is forced to come out in a life or death situation. again i completely disagree. twitch chat…
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But without high stakes how can you tell a persons nature? Without stakes is merely seeing convenience typically, or the ability to see the consequences of ones actions(driving away new players or getting a reward for a certain amount of effort)
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As anyone who knows me well (or even just is nice enough to read my posts / topics on these forums) is aware, I have a deep case of the feels over this situation.
Let’s go waaaaaay back to when I first fell in love with Battleborn, the open beta and then release a few weeks later.
Even though I was lucky enough to have 3-4 regular friends (we all bought mics specifically to coordinate in Battleborn), my team and I still got stomped A LOT. Me especially as I hadn’t SERIOUSLY played pure PVP game since Demon’s Souls, and, to a lesser extent, some PVP in all the SoulsBorne titles that followed.
So I got decimated, crushed, and taunted a LOT. It was frustrating as hell, but Battleborn had its hooks into me and I swore to myself that I would do whatever it took, however long it took, to put myself on the other end of that equation.
Then, 3 or so months in, most of those guys in my original crew moved on to Overwatch or games like Paragon and the like, so I started solo queueing mostly. I would choose one character and try to play almost exclusively as them until I had that character mastered, lore and level wise.
It was during this time that I started sending out friend requests to every good player I came across who was good and not an a*shole. I also started posting heavily in the Battleborn sections of these forums then and making connections with people on here.
Those few months were a golden age of Battleborn PVP. Large player base still, less anger / cynicism / jaded-ness / hostility / trolling, waaaaaay fewer disconnects and surrenders, lots of honourable, non-douchey premades, etc.
As time went on, though, solo queueing became nightmarish. A good chunk of the honourable, non-troll, core “competitive” players had abandoned Battleborn, gank squads were rampant, and solo players of ANY Command Rank and skill level were having a really rough time of it.
Solo queueing started feeling like bashing your head against a wall.
So I formed a PSN chat with 50 or so of the nicest, most knowledgeable, helpful and skilled people from these Forums which quickly blossomed into a completely full chat (100 people) as well as a Battleborn PSN community I made for the overflow.
I started rolling with a full squad every time I played and the experience was like night and day.
I still had TONS of improving to do, but the skill and dedication and knowledge and KINDNESS of my newfound team mates elevated my game, finally put me on the WINNING end of the equation, and made Battleborn PVP into the best gaming experience I had ever had.
Now, almost a year later, I’m pushing 1100 total hours in Battleborn (98 percent of that in PVP, have still only ever done one Bots Battle and just enough PVE for the Platinum trophy requirements, lore grinding, and to try out the Ops missions), almost 4000 matches played, all major PVP titles except 4 (BADA BADA BOOM, Three Sum [one triple away!], Fours Sensitive, and Pentastrike), have all characters lore mastered and 20 of 30 characters at level 20.
I NEVER taunt, do not send hate mail, and do not trash talk.
HOWEVER:
I HAVE picked up some bad habits after spending hundreds of hours training myself to secure kills and play offensively, rather than building everything and playing almost purely supports as I used to.
Depending on who I’m playing with and what mood we are in (and how much I’ve had to drink LOL), I will slaughter low levels without mercy, kill farm, etc.
The very behaviour that I KNOW drives people away or frustrates them into rage quitting.
I mean, the people getting stomped don’t know that my friends and I aren’t a*sholes, that we are not trash talking them as we kill them or laughing at their deaths.
Generally, against lower level people, we are usually only half paying attention to the match and we are just talking and laughing it up on mic about life and whatnot as good friends do, mostly just playing on autopilot until we are blessed enough to find a match against players of equal or greater skill levels that will require our full intensity and concentration. The idle chatter essentially STOPS in those matches and when we speak, it’s to coordinate our efforts.
And we all, as good as we are, still get absolutely STOMPED not a LOT, but more frequently than people probably assume.
There are players out there with levels of skill that I will NEVER reach even after 1 or 2 thousand more hours of Battleborn.
I am honoured to know most of them on a personal level, and I have PLAYED against all of the ones I don’t know personally frequently over the last year.
Most of these people are solid gold, just super nice, knowledgeable and helpful.
Some of them have become somewhat exclusive-ist, but, that is only because they are in a realm of skill most of us can only dream of.
All this is not to say that Battleborn does not have more than its fair share of a*sholes and trolls, pieces of human refuse that taunt every kill, trash talk, send abusive post match hate mail, etc.
These people are actively reviled by most of the community.
AGAIN HOWEVER:
To less experienced / lower level / newer / more casual players, unless some troll scum actively targets / taunts them and / or sends them abusive messages after or during the game, these people have no way of knowing whether they are getting BRUTALLY THRASHED AND DESTROYED by a team of angels with hearts of gold who just happen to be really good at Battleborn, or by people who just want to cruelly dominate everyone they come up against.
To these people on the losing end of the equation, all that they know and remember and take away from the experience is that they just got beaten.
HARD.
It was very eye opening playing with my trusted old friend and Battleborn mad tinkerer / Sensei @loving-hatred today, for the first time in a LONG time, as he kept us honest and actively prevented us from slipping into kill farming / match extending habits that I don’t think we even consciously realize we are doing most times, a lot of us just kind of do it automatically by now as we are somewhat always trying to pad our total career numbers or improve our Kills / Deaths / Assist ratios.
Now, we DO try to check opponent levels before every match, and, if we see they are low (we seem to define “low” now as any Command Rank between 2 and 99 LOL), we WILL choose characters we are less experienced with and / or jokey gear, BUT, there aren’t many characters we can’t do serious damage with.
Now, the crux of the matter - it took me a LONG time to get as skilled and able to secure kills as I have become.
A f*cking long, frustratingly tedious occasionally, time.
I have EARNED, the hard, legit way, my titles and achievements and skill level.
I ENJOY playing at this level of skill and, aside from the measures we take against lower levels that I previously mentioned, I am NOT going to dumb my skill levels down for anyone.
Like me, if people really love this game and want to improve, they will take their lumps and put in whatever time and effort to achieve the skill levels that myself and my team mates have.
So…long story short…am I being harmful to the community?
I like to think that the community advancement I’ve achieved with my PSN chat / community MORE than makes up for my occasional slaughter fests.
But I still get the feels about it.
A LOT.
Tagging @SirWalrusCrow @beatrix @codarik @Master_Oddjob @deande @handsomecam @ancientbelgareth @hobbitwarrior @Phoenix-2613 as I am curious as to their thoughts on this matter.
Thanks for reading my novel!
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Oui who is wining?
New players need to get babied!! This game is bad explaining fundamental aspects of the game. When the game dont explain itself correctly it feels like is cheating.
Just a couple of information i recolected from new players.
They dont know what is CC
Second shield, they think is galilea,boldur isic shield
Negative damage reduction, they think it only works if you have a positive one.(like montana or boldur)
How long takes a shield to recharge
Why they cant crit (shield)
How many xp minions/players give
They focuse on gear over buildables
Where is the crit spot of some minions/characters
They dont even know about wounds
Edit: some even jump directly from pve and think they can activate 3 legendaries.
Geez i swear if i could speak japanese, french, german or any other lenguage i would send more msgs asking ppl of they need tips or any sort of help.
Thos game are not fun and you learn nothing if you dont know what you are doing wrong!! How would anyone improve if they dont know what they are doing wrong.
@FlamesForAll can you remember what was your first or must important mistake before you started to improve? Position, gear, awareness what you had to improve to get better?
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Personally i don’t want to get babied as a new player, newb in game, ever.
is that being a newb or not using information available to ones benefit?
Is that information aviable in the game or in the forums?
Maybe you are one of those ppl who answear a no, i dont need help; and ill be cool, good luck and have fun.
But i have a nice amount of msgs of ppl who actually started to enjoy the game after some basic information.
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Holy sh*t, dude - great post. There’s loads of stuff I agree with you in there, but I’m gonna add my point on the matter.
I’m deadset trash at Battleborn. I’m pretty crap at most video games, but I think Battleborn takes the cake on my bottom-tier list. But you know what? I don’t care. Because sadly, what nobody seems to get is that it’s still fun just playing. Who cares if you lose? Who cares if your first sentry goes down in less than a minute by what’s quite clearly a 5-man premade, and you’re stuck barely holding the last choke point? It’s still fun to just mess around wildly diving for kills, taunt spamming mid-combat, etc.
You don’t always have to be competitive. Games are still fun regardless.
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Oh man this could be a long list LOL I used to be so bad.
First and foremost, PATIENCE.
Never rush in if you don’t have an escape, enough survivability, and / or appropriate back up.
Play Melee characters carefully and choose your battles wisely, do not get impatient and try to rush in, especially against ranged-heavy teams.
Always stick with your team unless you absolutely have a reason not to (ie, a valid chance to flank, encircle or Backdoor, but even then, regroup ASAP).
IF YOU ARE GALILEa OR ISIC OR BOLDUR, REMEMBER TO USE YOUR DAMN SHIELD!!!
Don’t peel off to get Thralls at bad times or if you don’t need them. Stay with your team.
As ERNEST or Kleese or Ambra or even Miko for his ultimate, choose safe, hard for the enemy to reach spots for your Eggs / Rifts / sunspots / Mushroom head.
DO NOT BUY THE CENTER INCURSION LIGHTNING TURRET UNLESS YOU CAN DEFEND IT. Also, do not destroy it just for the sake of destroying it if you are not even in the area it threatens, this will just let the enemy rebuy it and feed on the experience.
If you find you are dying a lot, hang back. Gather shards, build stuff, grab Thralls. Just don’t rush in to get killed again to feed the enemy.
Use a cheap or free shard generator (if it’s a free one, make sure the negative ability on it does not affect your character).
If you are on mic with people, even if you are the only one on mic, try to call out warnings, when you see weak enemies, when you are going to try to stun someone, when you need coveting fire for retreat or distracting fire for a sneak attack, etc.
Remember that back Thralls respawn every 2 minutes (28, 26, 24, etc) and that middle double Thralls respawn every 5 minutes (25, 20, 15, 10, 5).
Last but not least - IF YOU ARE LOW ON HEALTH, FIND A SAFE SPOT AND PRESS “DOWN” ON YOUR DIRECTIONAL PAD TO TELEPORT BACK TO BASE!!!
Hope this was helpful!
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It was, (actually that should have its own topic honestly) now did you learned this all by yourself or someone else gave you an advise when you made the same mistake over and over?
Edit: actually im going to save this link and use it as reference when i send some tips!!
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A mixture of self teaching and guidance by all my wonderful friends / trainers who guided me and only very gently teased me as I made riduculous error after stupid, ridiculous error.
Thanks for being patient with me, guys!
Love you all!
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online, google search will get it done, also Streams- since beta my stream has always welcomed new players and I’ve always tried to answer (or get answers from players who are better/ know more than me) any and all questions new players have about anything in the game. anytime i get into a new game I want to learn more about, i check the top twitch streams for that game and usually you will find most of the info you need, especially with a smaller game such as Battleborn, its basically free information.
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Damage amp on hook
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Well i dont watch twitch i actually get bored of any sport or game if im not playing it.
I bought diablo 3 recently, i like to play the game and learn everything i can from it is a new adventure full of surprise.
The game has an awfull skill description like battleborn, no dmg information just “greatly imcrease your dmg” so i decided to google a bit of info.
Well now i spoiled the game for me, now i know to much. When i start to play i just yawn all the time and play 10-20mins. Forums shared to much information about gear, builds, areas, story, etc.
I cant blame if ppl dont want or dont even think of do a research of the game, specially of how the first information you will find is how awfull battleborn is and how overwatch is the best game of the year.
What im trying to say is: devs should add this information in the game, why we cant see whats deande max shield/hp lvl1.
I started with everyone, when this game was new and nobody knew what to do or how to play, now the game has a clear meta and is not friendly with new players.
Some of us who are avarage need a lot of help to improve, others are gifted with lots of skill. But one thing is true, it doesnt matter how good you are, if you are new and face a cc/stun meta you wont learn anything.
First impresion is important in everygame and bb has one of the worst MM making this game tough for new comers.
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