Current State of Formations?

Homeworld Remastered Collection Remastered Discussion
#6

I meant ā€œfixingā€ as in ā€œhaving formations that work in some way like the original HW1 formations didā€ as opposed to currently, where ships donā€™t stay in the given formations assigned to them.

So to be clear, there are still plans to implement formations at least somewhat similar to the original HW ones? (I understand making them work exactly the same is probably impossible, but Iā€™d just like the ships to stay in some kind of formation when itā€™s assigned to them, whether or not it works the same as it used to.)

Thanks! (Also, thank you so much for all the work you doā€¦I hope I didnā€™t come across as complaining or accusing you of breaking anything. You [the whole team] really has done a great job, and Iā€™m extremely thankful for the work yā€™all have put into it!)

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#7

Ok Great! Just wanted to head off seeing that post alone on reddit without context.

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#8

Yes and No. And I am not trying to be cryptic - but weā€™ve had quite a few runs at this featureā€¦ with a few really nasty false-starts (Oh the post-mortem articles weā€™ll eventually write for gaming websitesā€¦). But for now, the current plan is MUCH better than an idealized HW1 or HW2 - but still along the same lines. I just donā€™t want to comment further until weā€™re out of the woods on the massive delta weā€™re knee deep in.

I admit to being a bitā€¦ sensitive to this sort of question (anything that says ā€˜fixedā€™) - because so many people (mostly on Steam) assert things that are insane or just plain dumb. As forum posts (usually) lack any indicators of tone, I frequently read them with a ā€˜covered in cheetos dustā€™ accent. So I really do appreciate your response, and apologize for taking the initial request in a manner it wasnā€™t mean.

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#9

Thanks for the reply! And I totally understand you being sensitiveā€¦I havenā€™t been around a whole lot, but Iā€™ve seen enough to know that a lot of people have been jerks to you developers throughout this whole process. Consider your apology accepted lol :slight_smile:

Also, is the new formation code going to be released in a patch, or as part of a mod at first? (Or, is that still up in the air at this point?)

I eagerly await any information you can share about the new formations when the time comes! :wink:

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#10

By definition itā€™ll be a patch. Because this is a MASSIVE delta at the code level. Mods canā€™t even dream of doing what weā€™re attempting right now.

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#11

Just call it an EPIC UPGRADE! :slight_smile:

Since I know you donā€™t like referring to its current state as ā€œbrokenā€ and ā€œneeds fixingā€.

Cant wait!! ā€¦ But I will cos I know itā€™ll be worth it, and yaā€™ know, got no choice.

#12

Still no formations? Thatā€™s the biggest problem with the HW1 Remastered. Without the formations this makes the game loose itā€™s way. What a disappointment. Luckily i can have full game experience on the original version.
Homeworld 1 Lan? Do i see it somewhere? Hell no, when clicking multiplayer tab there is no longer no option for the lan. Luckily i have old retail version of HW still intact. (if anyone would like to play HW1 online hit me up on GR or tunggle.)
Since iā€™m on Fedora right now and Iā€™m too lazy to make another thread i might as well write few things that Iā€™ve noticed on Wine.
HwRM on Wine, Iā€™ve lost the lights. Is there any component that i havenā€™t downloaded or installed?
HW2 works fine Graphics needed a bit tweaking, RU count was lost to the top.
HW1 is a bit odd few graphics works on windowed mode.(on side note HW1.05 runsā€¦ perfectly) I donā€™t expect problem solving answer for that tho. Wine just could be failing with a certain thing.

#13

Well, Iā€™ve played some of the first missions in the HW1 campaign, but then decided that Iā€™d wait a little longer before going further along in the campaign. At least until the major bugs are worked out. I still remember that bug (now solved) that caused an instant CTD when a cryo tray being loaded was destroyed in mission 3ā€¦

The question Iā€™d really like to ask @BitVenom is a very simple ā€œwhenā€ about this formation rework, but I know that he cannot answer that :wink: .
So Iā€™ll try a different question: if everything goes according to plan (and this is a BIG if, I know), how faithful will the new formation behavior be to the original HW1C behavior? Somewhat more faithful? Practically undistinguishable?

And finally let me say a loud ā€œgreat jobā€ to all of the HWR staff. I donā€™t think Iā€™ve ever seen this kind of post-release support with a game. Absolutely amazing :+1: .

#14

I donā€™t think it will be like HW1C, I think it will beā€¦ Differentā€¦

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#15

I agree. The question is: how different?

#16

Formations and Tactics YAAAY!

Any news relating to this makes me happy. Doesnā€™t matter if itā€™s not ā€œthe sameā€ since we have hw1 and 2 using formations differently from their conception. Makes sense vanilla formations wouldnā€™t be feasible, who cares? Formations and Tactics! YAY.

Good luck with the quest, weā€™ll just be hereā€¦lurking.

#17

Iā€™m also excited about what is in store for formations and tactics. The current ā€œblob upā€ that occurs with Frigates and other capitol ships that happens when they attack a single target is rather lack luster. However, I love the HW2 strike craft style, so I hope there is a way to mix both HW1 and HW2 together into the best of both worlds.

#18

I very much miss the multi-ship targeting ability of HW1 ships. Itā€™s completely absent from HW2 and HWRM. It was a huge part of strategy and tactics, not to mention the realism of the game. This was always considered a major step backwards.

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#19

I shoot at surroundings and I shoot at secondaries doesnā€™t allow multi ship targeting?

#20

Not by default. Not nearly as effectively as HW1. Banding a group of enemy ships only gets targeting of one ship at a time. The ships donā€™t default to multiple targets.

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#21

It seems worse, but Iā€™ll admit it may be rose colored glasses. And it would be really hard to test the difference. Canā€™t really convince the CPU in classic to come at me with a vette or frig wall.

This isnā€™t something we could fix on the balance side, Iā€™m pretty sure this is AI. Hopefully those guys will take an interest once formations is finished.

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#22

Hello,

At first i was scared that Gearbox will royally screw a big old IP like itā€™s the case most of the time.

But hey, you guys did a wonderful job. Canā€™t think you could have done it better considering the task.

Canā€™t wait for the next updates, the game already looks great but we want it better :smiley:

#23

If you havenā€™t yet, take a look at the official balance mod in the workshop to see what the devs+community are doing in terms of balance changes.

#24

I did, and i think itā€™s great work the dev and the community

I like the new feel =)

Sadly, itā€™s pretty hard to find player to play with ā€¦

#25

Can I ask what is the nature of the changes, is it a massive overhaul of the engine to include the ballistics and whatnot of the classic or is it a more sophisticated RNG system to resemble the classic game in the current engine?