DDD - Zer0's Skills for You!

Raptchur · January 30, 2015, 11:28pm

jianderson · February 24, 2015, 12:16am

Bam, links updated to circle back to the old forums.

Sorry for the delay.

Duke3D · February 24, 2015, 6:13pm

I never had a clue. I always thought it just added a few percentage points to the accuracy. I typically used Snipers so I thought, “meh, they’re accurate enough. I don’t need that.”

Very interesting.

VaultHunter101 · February 24, 2015, 7:03pm

What is “center speed”? Is that anything like “aiming sped”?

Matrixneo42 · February 26, 2015, 4:16pm

jianderson:

Grim:

Both a hated and loved skill. Never pick this up as a melee build, but if you play anything else this can be wonderful. The cooldown reduction (at most) can give half a second back, but the shield regen is why this skill is used.

It is a kill skill that allows a bit of defensive help, and also helps with DOT negation when under heavy fire. Shield delay is independent of Grim: The shield will recharge as long as the kill skill is active, and begin to recharge when the natural delay is over.

Base: .7% shield regen - 1.5% cooldown reduction, 5/5 - 3.5% shield regen - 7.5% cooldown reduction.

Melee Zer0: Terrible (once a roid shield is obtained)

Gun Zer0: Great

In melee builds, it is good as a form of tanking through your shield, but the moment you begin to use a roid shield it becomes a hindrance to using melee shields properly.

Refer here.

While it may be good in your first 10-20 levels, it quickly falls off as a defensive skill and does not teach a player how to use shield timings and delay effectively. This is more of a skill to use while picking up Execute and Backstab prior to Many Must Fall (and/or roid shields), speaks to the fact that it cannot deserve more than a ‘Terrible’ rating.

If you don’t use a roid shield, then it certainly doesn’t hurt to use it, right? Especially if you don’t use iron hand or be like water. I am building a new zero so right now it certainly is useful. But I will see how I feel about it later.

jianderson · February 27, 2015, 3:31am

What are you asking?

Starting off with a Zer0, Altair has a full guide on that

As for not using a roid shield at all ever, it works but I can’t guarantee it will be fun. I can upload some sample footage of its use if you would like, np!

Matrixneo42 · February 27, 2015, 2:05pm

Well, I am certainly using tons of other great melee bonuses. Rapier included. I just like the idea of added survive-ability in almost any situation by using a strong shield that I want to keep up rather than down, and in having that shield get regen’d by my actions. But, I’m certainly not putting any badass points in shield recharge delay because I do love the roid shield gameplay as well.

I guess, my point is, a melee zero can kick a ton of ass with or without a roid shield.

Altair’s guide is superb. Love it. I mostly agree with what he’s saying too. However, because I love using Bore on the bunker, I respec to Bore to kill the bunker and then I respec back to melee as I go forward.

Matrixneo42 · February 27, 2015, 2:07pm

My point here is that if you don’t want to use Iron Hand for health gate reasons, or Be Like Water for whatever reason, then maybe try Grim.

jianderson · February 27, 2015, 4:49pm

Grim is a no. Like I said, Altair’s guide is great.

Having a shield up really doesn’t afford survivability because if you’re meleeing, it’s not going to be up in the first place.

Yes, he can dish out damage but if you’re looking for reasonable damage without effort (ie: lining up Deception, min maxing even more so and trying to set up each melee as a 1SK), the roid shield has greater pay out.

Not using it is painful honestly and really doesn’t give you many benefits.

ACNAero · February 27, 2015, 6:17pm

[quote=“Matrixneo42, post:27, topic:988”]
Altair’s guide is superb. Love it. I mostly agree with what he’s saying too.[/quote]

Sorry to be picky, but Altair is a woman.

Matrixneo42 · February 27, 2015, 6:48pm

I thought everyone using the internet was a white male somewhere between the age of 20 to 40.

ACNAero · February 27, 2015, 6:49pm

You are wrong. I’m a white male who is the age of 19

Matrixneo42 · February 27, 2015, 6:52pm

I’ll make a point of trying Be Like Water (intead of Grim) + a Roid shield soon. I’m right at the point where I can get an Order shield, I think. Just beat the bunker + “angel” in this playthrough.

Greasy_Broccoli · February 27, 2015, 10:39pm

So, you are telling me that i am really a white man? I always knew i was…

jianderson · March 2, 2015, 5:30am

You only have to believeeeeee!

Kitty_Jo · March 5, 2015, 3:09pm

l_gabrielcruz · March 17, 2017, 12:44am

Sorry to necro this, but… how is DM working right now? Is it stacking still with the use of DB?

nuK3 · March 17, 2017, 10:36am

IIRC (please correct me if I’m wrong) death mark is now a single 80% multiplicative bonus. You can’t stack it with death blossom anymore, but it allows you to apply the mark on multiple targets. Also death marks from multiple zer0 won’t stack anymore.

Frightning · March 23, 2017, 5:19am

99% sure that is correct, ever since the last official patch hit.

parjlarsson · May 5, 2017, 12:12am

After the buff to Unforeseen, is it still as bad as the OP makes it out to be?