#113

Gearbox have a long history of not saying anything about fixes and updates until they are good and ready to do so. They have their reasons (which I understand). I know that it can also be frustrating for fans of their games (which I also understand).

At the end of the day, though, I refuse to let myself get bent out of shape one way or the other over such matters when there really are more important things to worry about.

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#114

I need more info before I either buy the season pass, trade in the game, or shelf it until necessary improvements are made. I’ve waited weeks for some actual info to pop up, if I can’t get the answers I need within the next week I’ll be trading in my copy for credit towards pre-ordering upcoming titles. <\3

#115

Nada. I’d go with the trade in before the value plummets. It tends to drop fast even on games that are wildly popular.

The game isn’t going to radically change because there’s nothing they can change that would help the state it’s in. Pretty much everyone who bought into the game at launch is majorly pissed by the price slashing they did mere weeks afterward.

Simply isn’t any solid grounds for further investment, and if you trade it in, it’s not like you won’t be able to pick up a copy in the future for what will likely be a pittance if indeed it costs anything at all, since who knows if those free to play rumors don’t have some measure of sense to them.

All progress is saved on the servers so it’s not like you lose out in any way, and it’s really not a good idea to cling under the mere hope that things get better.

I’d just be happy having the option of getting some kind of recompense. Some of us are simply stuck with a loveless relationship.

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#116

i’ve been asking for days now
i get no answers
i even supply solutions
instead, i get my threads locked and i’m ignored by devs

at this given moment, no news has been posted on battleborn twitter since the patch, June 9th
last 3 posts are about fan art… wonderful

at this given moment, last dev post was 2 days ago, and was unsubstantial.
honestly it was hard to find in the dev tracker because its BURIED by the TONS of posts by homeworld devs.
thats right, ACTIVE DEVS, holy crap.
wish i had the homeworld devs on this game.

at this given moment, the last info on the site was a very nice post about score and how it works.
except… they failed to mention the exact scores that give you what medals, which is what we wanted.

at this given moment, voxis core, a beloved legendary item, has been greyed out for 11 days with zero word.
at this given moment people now know about the platinum currency and are PISSED. Yet no response.
at this given moment, there are afk’s in PvP due to the badly implemented rematch system.
at this given moment, i am sad and frustrated that a game i love is dying.

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#117

Enjoy you created an account just to say something like this

#118

Here a topic / collection of (all) fixes, patches additions they made so far, plus links to important Dev-post.

And I can highly recomment to use the “Dev Tracker” to see the developers responses here in the forums.
http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/groups/Inside_The_Box

I don´t know what your questions are, but so far I saw Dev posts regarding to maaaaaany wishes & complaints. I hope you find the answers you´re looking for.

You know that you can go to the Dev´s profile as well to check their latest posts right? So just visit JoeKGBX profile and scroll through his post history.

BitVenom is quiet active in the Homeworld forum, I think thats a good thing. Sorry it made your research a bummer.
Currently the BB-Devs seem, well, busy to coordinate the fixes, programming, sitting in meetings to discuss your wishes, feedback and complains. The more they actually work the less they have time for the forums to answer posts.

#119

I’m going to shut this down right now.
you cannot answer with old posts and links to dev tracker.
want to know why? because its been ages since those posts were made
and no progress on the tracker
so stop reposting that nonsense

i’ll quote someone on this exact issue

gee, its not just me, this guy was very polite and patient with all of his posts, and got shoved aside.
i dont blame him.

but mods are now becoming an issue, with non-responses of just posting dev-tracker links and OLD POSTS.
give us something NEW. Stop digging up old news and passing if off as new.

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#120

Threads merged. You may experience some disorientation as the posts settle.

I think it’s time for this:
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Because the tone in this thread is getting a little hostile. And that’s not okay.

When there is some new news, they’ll tell us. Until then, assume that the stuff they said they were working on is still being worked on. That’s why people are taking the time to link you to previous statements.

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#121

Content? Bb has campaign story Mission with some good Humor and PvP. I say it is decent. The other game is just known for their previous work as LoL, that is one key factor. Not to mention Bb and Ow are totally different games, just with some similarities

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#122

They release an update of their focus and goals once a week in the form of Battle Plans. While it seems like forever in the always on, always now mentality of modern gaming culture, it really is a reasonable update period.

While I share many of the concerns discussed across the forums, I don’t expect anything to change overnight because it’s unrealistic in most cases. In reality, knee jerk reactions tend to do more harm than good. That’s why it’s important to take extra time considering the long term effects of something before you flip the switch.

Lashing out when your upset or frustrated rarely has positive results. It’s always better to wait and address your concerns once you’ve calmed down. That way you can have a reasonable discussion, which tend to lead to more reasonable less detrimental solutions.

The same mentality should be applied to game updates and balance changes. Because when your adjusting game mechanics, your not just balancing abilities & numbers. You’re also balancing player impact and their enjoyment of the overall experience. Do something too drastic too quickly, and you’ll end up with a parade of people Marching away. Do nothing or to little to address concerns, and you’ll end up with the same.

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#123

If 3 days is old for you, I cannot argue further. I post existing information, I´m sorry I cannot serve new.

Many users have´nt even received the “old” infos yet or never saw the Dev Tracker option.
So no, I won´t stop posting these informations when people ask for input.

I even tried to explain why the BB-Devs are not as active here as in in the pre-launch times. I rather know they are working on the problems than to see them reply to every post in the forums.
If you have a different opinion its fine.

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#124

Not to step on @Ganjamira’s toes here but alot of what is said in the Dev tracker is still a work in progess, I could see that being pointless to read if every thing they mentioned in there was done, but its not. So its still relevant. Not everyone is 100% up to date on the things said in there as well.

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#125

I’m not saying what is in the dev tracker is irrelevant
what i’m annoyed at, is that a link to dev tracker is the go-to answer to EVERYTHING.
and that would be fine… if posts in said linked dev tracker even touched on the subjects we wanted.

and i’m not complaining about 3 days being old news for a post.
i’m talking about the fact that the words “Voxis Core” have not been mentioned in TWO WEEKS, except by us.
so linking me to the dev tracker, when i’m asking about the Voxis Core,
and there is NOTHING ABOUT IT in the linked dev tracker… it’s frustrating.
because the mods use a link to the dev tracker to shut down a thread,
suggesting the answer is in the tracker.
and it’s usually NOT.

so i’m asking, please stop using that as standard operating procedure.

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#126

Why would they say anything about the Voxis Core when it hasn’t been fixed yet? What could they say anyway? “We’re still working on it.” Would that appease you?

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#127

At least mention they are still working on it.
Most expected it to be back after a week.
it did not return, so at least mention it in the battle plan, saying its still out for maintenance.

now, this is outdated, because we did get a word on voxis core.
but that word was, "A FEW WEEKS, nothing crazy"
nothing crazy? its already been 2 weeks
and the game has only been out for 6
thats 33% of the entire game’s life that this item was out for, so all i wanted was an update.
even if it was a very vague acknowledgement that they didnt forget about it.

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#128

Just a little (maybe longer than I expect) note on the relative silence of GBX Devs.

There are very real reasons we don’t hear from the Devs often, I will list a few here:

  1. Timelines in a game like this are fluid. You might believe you can make a change in a week, and discover it actually takes three. Even giving rough estimates is dangerous because you’ll be held to these.

Funny fact – most public works projects (bridges, roads) go wildly over budget. What’s funny is that these budgets are already padded because everyone knows that they are going to go over.

  1. The last thing you want as a developer is for a journalist to read something you mentioned in passing on reddit/forums and write an article that you can’t back up because of point 1.

This is a very real concern, and can make you look really silly if it happens.

  1. There are many people with many different priorities involved in making a product such as this. As a result, timelines and even priorities are apt to change wildly as one group gets their way over another.

Marketing wants different things than the creative team, who want different things than 2k. Everything is about politics and compromise, even the people who should know what is going to happen, don’t always know.

  1. Bad communication is worse than no communication.

You might not believe me, but if GBX were to start promising things and missing those deadlines, people would be even more upset than they are at the silence. When you are dealing in a world where priorities can turn on a dime and timelines are fluid, it’s often better to just shut up until you know for sure what’s happening.

  1. There are concrete plans in place for how certain things are communicated.

Even when they know something is going to happen, sometimes they aren’t allowed to talk about it. This happens for various reasons, but it’s usually an edict coming from the top down.

  1. “Small” fixes are rarely ever small.

The Law of Unintended Consequences and The Law of Large Numbers run rampant in projects like this. Even if something looks like a simple fix on paper, until you know the architecture behind how it is implemented in code, it’s difficult to know how hard it is to make that fix without blowing everything else up.

Not only that, balance fixes are even more difficult because small changes can have a massive effect on how the game plays, effects you can’t know until the change is released to a large number of players.

I’m sure that it’s often a case that balance fixes get re-worked four or five times before they are made live, the last thing you want to do is communicate the interim steps, because people will believe in all cases that those are the final solutions.

I know people want to see more communication.

I want more communication.

I also want all the DLC to be released tomorrow, but it’s really, really hard to make that happen sometimes.

I think the best thing we can do is to keep posting constructive criticism and know that there are people looking at all of it, and that those people want this game to be a success, as much as any of us do.

Thanks for the time.

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#129

But why did you or others expect that? No one from Gearbox said a week. They said and I quote “It should be noted that, while the Voxis Core Legendary has been temporarily disabled, it will be returning.”.

So why is it Gearbox’s fault that you or others translated it to a week? They have not said a date because the fix might just take more time or maybe they are testing a fix and that test will take time and if the first fix didn’t work they have to try something else…

Point is they said its going to return and they are working on it, just because it didn’t happen in a week just means its going to take more time. It might not be back this week either, so don’t expect it to be back.

If you set up expectations for a timeline that gearbox didn’t give and then get upset that that timeline is not met, that isn’t on Gearbox.

They are working on it like many things but like many things they can’t give a date they can’t promise.

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#130

While there is reason to your post, it does overlook one thing: Promises and Transparency aren’t the same thing.

I don’t think anyone here is asking for GBX to make promises on when fixes will be released. No one would reasonably expect them to do so, mostly because of the many reasons you listed.

However, I think almost everyone would be appeased by an increase in Transparency. It wouldn’t take much either. In it’s simplest form, it would be a new section in the Battleplan that would cover what they are currently working on. Not what they expect to have done, and especially not any promises of when. Just what are their current priorities and why.

Here’s an example:

State of the Game
We’ve heard your feedback on getting the Voxis Core back up and running and the PvP / PvE Only Challenges issues! Thanks for continuing to work with us on making Battleborn the best possible game it can be. Here’s what our devs are hard at work on this next week:

  • The Voxis Core is still a priority fix for the team, and it’s small enough to be a current focus. We’re actively at work on it.
  • The PvP / PvE Lore Challenge Issue is on hold because the game wasn’t designed to easily change Lore Challenges. We continue to research how we can implement a fix, but it’s not actively being worked.
  • We’ve seen issues with people being stuck Freezing on The Algorithm just as people were stuck Burning on The Archive and we’re focused on fixing that.

Thanks for all the great feedback, we’re listening and will continue to provide updates every week here in the Battleplan and online through the Dev Tracker and Twitter! We know we’ve got one of the best and most passionate communities out there and we’re committed to working with you guys to make Battleborn BADASS!

If we got something like this every week, we’d stop losing our collective minds. And it doesn’t promise when, it doesn’t promise anything, it just gives us Transparency. And no, soon™ doesn’t count. This isn’t soon™. It’s either “we’re working on this literally right now and also maybe why” or “we’ve heard this, we’d like to be working on it literally right now, but we can’t and here’s why.”

And if that’s too big an ask than I’d rather not give GBX any more business, because there are plenty of other software projects that do deliver this to the public, and I’m not just talking game developers here, but all kinds of software.

So I’ll keep checking Battleplans and looking out for Transparency like this or the changes I want to see before I start playing again. In the meantime, I’m (sadly, reluctantly) taking a break from Battleborn and joining the 90%+ of the population that’s left Battleborn behind. Let’s see if GBX can give me a reason to ever end that break. I’ll keep hoping they can.

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#131

That’s a really fantastic suggestion.

Improving the Battleplan with a list of priorities, could be something to implement.

@JoeKGBX, any thoughts?

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#132

And the obvious downside is the backlash when a particular thing doesn’t get mentioned. The end result would a continuous publication of every devs worknotes, and even then, someone, somewhere is going to have an issue with it. Yes, reductio ad absurdium and all that, but I hope my point is clear.

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