#105

Not going to work above a fire rate of 10

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#106

10 FR rule for extra shot was true at 30fps, has it been tested at 60?

Lay Waste > Out of Bubblegum, if youā€™re choosing between them. Most bosses have adds, and the ones that donā€™t will die without either. Chuck likes his Bus, which is the only reason to go that deep into Brawn. Ass-bestos and Jugger-not donā€™t have the numbers to actually do anything. HtK and AGTtB are pointless with Health Gating mechanic and Grog Nozzle. You waste 15 to 19 points in Brawn just to get Bus. We have plenty of points, thankfully.

NKLO is actually fine with rapid-fire weapons. I noticed the difference on Stalker/Stinger, the epitome of bullet hosing. Lay Waste >= Bubblegum, so KiPH and NKLO will always outperform going past Incite in Brawn.

If you really want Bus, hereā€™s how I would do it. Keep in mind Iā€™m a DPS whore. Hoarder sort of requires max Yippie and Last Longer

http://bl2skills.com/gunzerker.html#550050031005105005515155000055000

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#107

I am very fond of Bus that Canā€™t slowā€¦
Hugely underrated and I love it. Its almost always a must have for me at this point.

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#108

I noticed when I switched from HtK and OoBG to Lay Waste, KiPH, and NKLO that I was clearing mobs while tubby farming much quicker, after killing something small I would just eat away at a rabid skags hp a lot faster. Plus it looks like my offhand gets the bonus damage, so my grog was doing decent damage.

I wonā€™t say that extra move speed isnā€™t helpful, but I donā€™t see it as needed, especially with Incite already providing some.

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#109

I used to think the sameā€¦not anymore. Going all the way to CamB has been fun and rewarding. Seeing SexyRex keep me from taking knee was very satisfying. on runs that Iā€™ve done countless times, Iā€™ve done with the brawn build and was surprised to see it actually work at OP8. Of course, Iā€™m boosting SexyT with a Monk com, but its effective. You donā€™t have to keep a grog in your main hand with a brawn build. I purposely stay away from that mission so I donā€™t even have a grog. Rubi does just fine and actually ramps up the difficulty which I also find satisfying. :cowboy_hat_face:

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edit: ever notice the verbiage on Sals fingers? Which would you prefer? To be Wrong, or be Rite? lol

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#110

Itā€™s an acquired taste, to be sure. Bus is fun and does give you what you might call ā€œabstract damage reductionā€. However, the only damage mitigation Salvador needs is having a Grog Nozzle and actually hitting the enemies.

If you want Bus, my version would be this:
http://bl2skills.com/gunzerker.html#550050031005105005515155000055000

Otherwise, my build that @Jefe linked would obviously be my first choice.

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#111

Iā€™m not saying it doesnā€™t workā€¦ The issue Iā€™ve always had and will always have with Brawn tree is that it doesnā€™t actually help you face-tank damage, rather you have to play defensively while it heals chip damageā€¦ Also you invalidate the entire tree by having a Moxxi weapon, even Rubi or Kittens.

Bus is good. SexyT is passable with a COM. Come at Me Bro is good, once per Gunzerk.

But as always, the issue is, why would I spend 20 some odd points in a tree that I can actually outperform with my left hand weapon? And if youā€™re using a Moxxi weapon (other than Grog, generally), lower DPS equals lower healing. Therefore, Brawn is for people who want to avoid Moxxi weapons, which should be clearly understood by everyone here as a ā€˜challengeā€™ build.

Nothing wrong with it, I think most of us have played Dark Souls games. I just think we should be very clear about the difference between ā€œtechnically functionalā€ and ā€œcomparatively powerfulā€.

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#112

most definitely. more difficulty and reaching success is very satisfying for me. Rubi 12% heal only works with my moneyshot. the first shot doesnā€™t do enough damage to heal me past health gate. So, i do take a knee without the brawn build. sometimes with the brawn build if Iā€™m slow on the CamB. Iā€™m not the greatest of players, so i do rely on moxxi but not the Grog. imo, the Grog is overkill and puts the game on easy mode for the most part.

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#113

Iā€™m convinced the devs purposely put the Grog Nozzle in as a joke because before that DLC, all the BL2 Talking Heads were complaining that Rubi made Sal and Zer0 busted good.

ā€œOh, they should nerf it to heal like 4% to 6% like the other Moxxi weapons, itā€™s too good!ā€

ā€œWell, hereā€™s one that heals 65% and is always Slag. Nerds.ā€

These are the same people that described Flame of the Firehawk as ā€œunderwhelming for Salvadorā€. Head scratcher, that one (protip: it heals you with Moxxi weapons).

I kinda go the other way. I like busted good stuff. When I wanted a challenge, Iā€™d play a different character. You kinda have to go out of your way to make Salvador not broken. I mean, you can barely go down his Gunlust tree without hitting a skill thatā€™s bugged in some way. Also, never hit the Gunzerk button (Crit Damage applies to both weapons, ayy).

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#114

lmao :rofl:

I can see your point of view. I kind of agreeā€¦
meaning, if you have the right gear, heā€™s broken. But without ā€œkeyā€ ingredients, heā€™s not so OP. and I think that is the case for all characters. Any one of them can be broken/OP with the right gear and build.

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#115

I dunno, Axton is kinda meh no matter what you do.

I always found Maya to be a nice balance between OP fun and challenge fun. But my style with her was a little against the normal grain. She was the one I used Rough Rider and Movement Speed on, heh.

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#116

:flushed:
I strongly disagree. I can provide proof if need be. Demonite, where you at brutha. lol I have seen so many Axton speed kills its insane. if you know your stuff, Axton can crush them all. I like Axton a lot. After Sal, Iā€™d go Maya and then Axton as my favs of the game.
@Piemanlee

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#117

Agree to disagree, I guess. DPS ceiling for Axton is lower than other charactersā€™ broken combos. Itā€™s still enough to do The Thing, but my recollection of Time Trials is that Axton was generally 5th or 6th. There are only 6 characters in the game, someone has to be last.

Compared to PimpGlitch Sal, everyone is tied for last place ;p

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#119
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#120

Hey, as far as Iā€™m concerned, you and @Sljm can derail my thread all you want :slight_smile:

Speaking of Sljm: Welcome back dude :slight_smile:

As for Brawn, Iā€™ve had a change of heart lately and I have started to prefer the top half of it to the bottom half of the Gunlust tree.

Yes the Grog kinda invalidates itā€¦ but what you have in the other hand almost invalidates the Gunlust tree as well. Rampage alone provides a lot of DPS.

Bus is really good, AgttB is good, OoBG is good, HtK is at least as good as some of the less interesting skills you have to take in Gunlust. Incite is a great tier 1 skillā€¦ The real problem with Brawn is that the tier2 skills are really bad and Brawn in general house some of Salā€™s worst skills.

And Iā€™ve also found that COMBINED with a Grog, it will allow me to stay up better than just a grog alone, without much DPS loss in the process.

With a bit of health stacking, you don,t even have to rely on healthgate to stay alive.

Lay waste is great, KiPH is nice, but itā€™s a drop in the ocean as far as DPS goesā€¦

I guess it really depends on the build. Hoarder is not that clear cut, but in a Deputy build for example, where the whole thing is set up in 50 skill points and the DPS is high enough to work even without a boost to Money shot, Brawn stands out as a very reasonable place to sink those points.

The only Deputy run in the TT is a Brawn version with a Beast COM :stuck_out_tongue:
And a lot of people are reporting better results with the Brawn version.

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#121

At the time it was tested on PC as well and it was still true.

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#122

Of course you will get the most DPS with a build set in the Gunlust tree.

But your build is kinda already in the right direction, and you seem to really know your stuff generally speaking, so I wanted to offer an alternative take on it if you will, as your build was basically perfect for a Gunlust/Rampage Hoarder.

This thread is mostly meant for beginners and to make funky stuff work :slight_smile:

To me, Brawn is more efficacious as it kinda covers my mistakes and meshes well with my playstyle. Some people donā€™t need those ā€œcrutchesā€ but for those that do, it offers a bit more of everything. I go down less often, kill stuff faster and clear maps faster as well with Brawn than with Gunlust, but Iā€™d be hard pressed to say exactly why and how.

The intangible benefits Brawn offers will more than make up for the pure DPS gunlust offersā€¦ for some people.

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#123

5 points difference
Seems like weā€™re pretty much in agreement here, as usual :slight_smile:

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#124

Yea, I havenā€™t played BL2 in years, so I was mostly asking to see what people who have been more active had to say, I just recently transferred my characters over from my ps3 to ps4, and all of my save files were from late 2013. I have been doing some research on the side as well, some of my friends sometimes complain that when I get into a game, I go a little too deep, but that is just what I like doing.

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#125

Youā€™ll find quite a few things have changed since then! I suggest taking a look through the October 2015 update notes, since this covers some pretty significant developments. (Not quite so much for Sal, but thereā€™s a lot in there!)

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