Desires For Borderlands 3

Carlton_Slayer · 2016-02-14T14:57:26.151Z

I really don’t do PvP (mainly because I’m so bad at it) but if you want to try that as a separate game mode how about this: All players start with level 1 characters that have access to their action skill with basic guns and gear. Power ups in the battles would be class mods for each type of VH, relics and instant skill points. The instant skills would have a verbal description so that you can listen and decide if you want to accept it- x for yes and y for no (they are picked up like money- just run over it) so no need to open a screen while in combat. Winners get to keep the skills they unlocked and get rewarded with rare gear- and while I’m firmly opposed to forcing folks to play co-op to have a better chance to get the best gear, since this is PvP and totally voluntary, I’d have no issue with giving out exclusive gear in this game mode. Any thoughts?

Raven_Ghosthawk · 2016-02-14T15:13:39.225Z

@Carlton_Slayer: I also dislike PvP, but if it levels the field…

Fire rate of Hyperion sniper rifles brought even with that of Maliwan sniper rifles rather than being the slowest-firing SRs in the game.
No manufacturer’s normal lines of weaponry suffering comparatively poor performance like Bandit (Borderlands 2).
Grenade launchers as a separate weapons type rather than being manufacturer-specific Torgue-barrel assault rifles:
Bandit (or replacement): larger magazine size, slightly stronger damage, and slower fire rate than other manufacturers’ grenade launchers.
Dahl: fires automatic when not zoomed, burst-fires when zoomed, has slightly increased magazine size.
Jakobs: average magazine size, fires semi-automatic, non-elemental ‘grenades’ that explode like the ‘Bouncing Betty’ anti-personnel mine on impact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bupkzPfERLA
Torgue: fires explosive-‘elemental’ grenades with larger blast radii than those fired from other manufacturers’ grenade launchers.
Rocket rifles [=Torgue-barrel Bandit/Torgue/Vladof assault rifles] being typed as Torgue-barrel assault rifles in general rather than being manufacturer-specific Torgue-barrel assault rifles, with manufacturer-unique traits:
Bandit (or replacement): has larger magazine size and slightly stronger damage than other manufacturers’ rocket rifles.
Dahl: fires automatically when not zoomed, burst-fires when zoomed.
Torgue: fires stronger, but slower-moving, rockets that explode with a larger damage radius than those fired from other manufacturers’ rocket rifles.
Vladof: has a faster fire rate and slightly faster reload speed than other manufacturers’ rocket rifles.

NOTE: All change(s) to the original(s) are noted in yellow.

Re. manufacturers and their base products (=not the parts)…:

Manufacturer: unknown Traits: faster aiming speed, reload speed, and fire rate Products: bullpup-type rifles/shotguns/SMGs

Manufacturer: Bandit (or replacement)
Traits: large® magazine size, long reloads, slightly stronger-than-average damage
Products: ~~assault rifles~~, machine guns (B1), pistols, assault shotguns (B1), SMGs

Manufacturer: Dahl
Traits: low-to-no recoil, burst-fire
Products: assault rifles, pistols, rocket launchers (B1), SMGs, sniper rifles

Manufacturer: Jakobs
Traits: semi-automatic, strong damage, (usually) non-elemental, small magazine sizes
Products: ~~assault rifles~~, ~~pistols~~, revolvers (B1), shotguns, sniper rifles

Manufacturer: Tediore
Traits: faster reload speed and slightly larger magazine size

Manufacturer: Torgue
Traits: explosive-‘elemental’ weaponry, comparatively larger rocket detonation, average magazine size, increased ammo consumption compared to other manufacturers(?), and blast shield (=exclusive to Torgue launchers
Products: assault rifles, pistols, rocket launchers (single- and multi-shot), shotguns
Exclusive Parts: multi-shot ‘barrel’ (rocket launcher) that will simultaneously fire 4 rockets from a Torgue-exclusive rocket launcher, but fire 3 rockets from other manufacturers’ rocket launchers.

Manufacturer: Vladof
Traits: faster fire rate and slightly faster reload speed
Products: assault rifles, machine guns (B1), pistols, machine pistols (B1), rocket launchers, SMGs, sniper rifles

Bring back specific weapon types from Borderlands 1:

Fury (automatic machine pistol), manufactured by Vladof.

Rage (burst-fire machine pistol), manufactured by Dahl.

Masher (burst-fire revolver), manufactured by Dahl.

Viper (highly accurate revolver), manufactured by Hyperion; always spawn with a scope.

Death (assault shotgun), manufactured by Jakobs.

Anarchy (multi-shot SMG), manufactured by Bandit (or replacement).

Double Anarchy (spread-shot Anarchy variant).

Bruiser (stronger but slower SMG), manufactured by Dahl; burst-fires when ADS’d.

Stinger (high-speed SMG), manufactured by Vladof.

Thumper (very strong but very slow SMG), manufactured by Hyperion; deals increased Critical damage.

Gamble/Thunder combination (~~bolt-action~~ semi-automatic sniper rifle with increased damage, Critical damage, and recoil) manufactured by Jakobs.

Lance (semi-automatic sniper rifle with reduced recoil and increased accuracy), manufactured by Hyperion.

Assuming B3 is after B2, a series of missions involving a renegade unit akin to the Hand of Judgment: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hand_of_Judgment
I wrote up an idea for some story, kinda based off of them and titled something like “Flight of Fireteam 54”.

F54 is a SpecOps unit that used to work for the enemy corporation, until things going on in (or by) the company prompted their desertion; they attempted to do so as quietly as possible, but things happened, and their departure ultimately didn't go unnoticed for long; corporation high-ranks prioritized their elimination to prevent F54's intel and access from being used against them before those holes could be patched. Lilith informs you that the Crimson Raiders learned of the group's desertion by electronic surveillance, planted weeks in advance for something completely unrelated, and dispatches you to attempt to recruit them. You're first tasked with tracking them down, ultimately going through a series of (main story) missions to do just that, and finally meeting up with them; unfortunately, the enemy's finally managed to do the same by that point, and organized an alpha strike to wipe you all out.
Your task is then to hold out till reinforcements arrive from Sanctuary – Lilith scrambles a CR heavy unit that includes Brick and (at least) Axton/Maya.

After the battle, you learn the group’s full story – they originally numbered five on escaping, but one was killed some time before you could rendezvous with them. Your case is made, but it’s a no-brainer considering that the group’s former employer attempted to (over)kill them.
Completing this series of missions unlocks two of them as additional playable characters; when playing as any F54 character(s), they also have a separate story sequence up until where the dispatched Vault Hunters reinforced them against the incoming alpha strike, detailing their departure.

"The other side wanted him bad. Finally narrowed his hide down to an abandoned six-story building. They quit the subtle tactics, called in an artillery strike. Leveled a square block, brought the building down on his ass." -- Mr. Rate, "Shooter" (2007)

@Derch Saw your video…,

…and I wholly agree with it. In the meantime, I’d like your input on the above gun/manufacturer suggestions.

If it’s not too forward of me, I dropped this post’s link (as it is highly relative) in your video to see what responses it gets.

Raven_Ghosthawk · 2016-03-03T22:37:46.926Z

@VaultHunter101: Thought you’d post here; I can C&P your post here later if it’s okay with you. But answering back, the only one I really remember kill-stealing was Brick. OMFG, Brick. And you get NOTHING for it. Just for you, Brick:

If the NPC VHs appear, there is my other suggestion that they can damage but not kill. Past a certain point, their output goes from actual damage to fancy lightshow, requiring you (the player!) to finish them off. Yay for 2Ws!

As for the story, two sides fighting each other, then coming to the conclusion that they have a common enemy, who is trying to wipe both of them out:

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Raven_Ghosthawk · 2016-03-08T12:59:00.405Z

Pet AIs have a leash radius, going out to fight enemies, but following their owner as the character moves on. It’s been an annoyance to deploy Deathtrap on a Caustic Caverns run, then run into an enemy where I need him here/now…and he’s nowhere to be found while his timer is still running.

Oh wait, he’s at the beginning of that long tunnel I just passed through, fighting things while I’m getting my a** shot off? Wow, thanks.

Carlton_Slayer · 2016-03-08T21:21:46.847Z

What’s worse is taking him to Dragon Tower and he attacks the flying dragons that are totally not bothering you, yea, thanks a lot DT!

Raven_Ghosthawk · 2016-03-13T00:52:16.849Z

@Carlton_Slayer: +that.

Another thing I was getting at was enhanced movement. Standard running, IMO, is kinda boring as it’s been a standard for ages from both within and without Borderlands. Personally, I liked the jump-jetting in TPS, but considered that a prototype system – not because it also ran off your O2 system, but because it was a skeleton system that gave you only a standard jump and a single (directional) thrust; IIRC, the nice thing was that the thrust’s power was dependent on the duration the jump button was held.

What I’m thinking is a better one that enables almost parkour-ish wall-jumping like this…:

…rather than contacting a wall and simply falling. This only works when you’ve contacted a surface [=wall/ground], which instantly/fully refills the bar. Additionally, it includes a thruster system for limited aerial maneuvering; it lacks the power to hover, but would allow slowing your descent, or even micro-maneuvering during descent, and the strength would be proportional to how long the jump button’s held.

It would basically work like TPS’s system with a thruster bar that refills while grounded, but with a tweak – from the ground, you can press the jump button (standalone) for a standard jump, or hold it to kick off the ground and go higher. While airborne from a…:

JUMP: You can press the jump button and directional stick to change trajectory in midair; again, you can press it or hold it for varying strength of effect. Note, however, that you would be restricted to one jet/thrust per jump as the jump+thrust would completely burn through your thruster bar, regardless of how whether the button was pressed/held post-jump.
FALL: You can do the same to maneuver; unlike from a jump, maneuvering while falling would not burn through your thruster bar, allowing you to make micro-maneuvering adjustments as you fall.

Also, thruster power would be stronger when your health is Critical.

Carlton_Slayer · 2016-03-13T11:11:20.179Z

Interesting idea but would you be able to use weapons while using your James Bond jetpack? This does give me an idea for a new BL3 item though…

Raven_Ghosthawk · 2016-03-15T11:44:08.514Z

@Carlton_Slayer Yes, you retain full combat functionality – firing weapons, throwing grenades, melee, and activating your AS – while airborne.

And I just saw my old(er) post about Slam-sliding: Desires For Borderlands 3
Tweaking that and adding to post #811, press jump+L3 when airborne to jet in the direction held, then hold crouch (while airborne) to slam/slide; when you’re on the ground again, you have some directional control while sliding, the duration/distance of which will be equal to double (health=non-Critical) or triple/quadruple (health=Critical) the amount of thruster bar remaining when you land.

The_Seabigbear · 2016-03-15T20:04:33.243Z

Any word on if GBX started working on BL3?

Raven_Ghosthawk · 2016-03-15T22:35:35.683Z

@The_Seabigbear Not sure, but here’s a compiled list of B3-relevant videos: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtwJdSyfunr7uiJKIX_YBHC6z3b4_jTUz

thebigguy79 · 2016-03-16T13:11:42.798Z

There’s prob some things going on but you won’t hear a lot for a decent while. With a new game like Battleborn you really have to push it hard to try to establish a fan base and gain interest up until launch. It’s like you have a child and then there is a newborn on the way and the newborn gets a lot of the attention but the older child is still gonna get some love but everybody is all about the baby. Can’t wait to hear more on BL3 though. Always look forward to anything Borderlands… Easily my favorite franchise of all time.

Piemanlee · 2016-03-16T15:12:44.624Z

Here’s something I’d like to see. I know that bl1 had random quest rewards. Why not bring those back, a chance to get legendary gear for quest rewards sounds good to me. I hope they still have uniques for some quest rewards just make the quest that give non uniques be able to five random gear.

jafortune · 2016-03-18T05:31:30.243Z

What I’m thinking about are the big changes. Because I don’t think they can make Borderlands 3 just another Borderlands 2, but with different unique weapons, action skills, and skill trees. Well I guess they can, but they probably won’t.
Between each game we have seen large changes to the formula. Even the small jump from 2 to TPS brought huge change. Low Grav/Airborne Combat, Skill Trees were compressed slightly and became more synergistic in nature, Action Skills became more involved and complex, Cryo and Slams added layers of Crowd Control. For a small game, meant to fill a part of the story, they made some pretty big changes to the formula.
So what’s going to be the new twist to the gameplay, to the guns, to the skill trees, to the action skills? I’m really curious.

Raven_Ghosthawk · 2016-03-18T06:01:20.883Z

Just saw Bahroo’s video about double-jumping/2Jing making a return. In the comments section, there was one about changing parts. Personally, I feel such would be a good system, but it wouldn’t be a main title.

However, there is one aspect where I might be able to reverse my stance w/o really affecting the gun’s performance – the sight/scope. TMK, it doesn’t affect how the gun performs, but does affect how you do. Could be nice if the gun is otherwise perfect, but the scope/sight is not one you prefer.

(Not sure about how to implement this, tho; also, wondering if such a system would be a Pandora’s Box if so implemented…)

Piemanlee · 2016-03-18T11:58:09.994Z

I think derch has a video about the part system in the next bordlands game.

smithoz2000 · 2016-03-20T10:33:30.280Z

My wants are simple, as Borderlands 2 is already a pretty good game, even though its now 3 years old. I would like all loot to be at mission level. I would also like the drop to be equivalent to the weapon being used - example, Make Mike and that fantastic RL he wields (and then drops you a repeater)

mlociks · 2016-03-20T20:38:11.370Z

In-game WIKIpedia, with pages unlocking as you find more info in game.

It would be great! Please add the feature in BL3. Would add more context and value to playing game and finding stuff.

Raven_Ghosthawk · 2016-03-21T00:22:55.497Z

[quote=“mlociks, post:823, topic:73886”]In-game WIKIpedia, with pages unlocking as you find more info in game.[/quote]An enemy database would be good. On a relative note…:

Desires For Borderlands 3 BL2 General Discussion

A Final Fantasy XIII-style tips database. Some options for dual-wielding in future Borderlands titles, assuming that the following stays true: Dahl weapons will be burst-fired when zoomed. Jakobs weapons will be semi-automatic. Most weapons types from every manufacturer will be automatic, the exception being sniper rifles from all manufacturers except Vladof (automatic) and Dahl (burst-fire when ADS’d). OPTIONS: Independent Fire: Salvador from Borderlands 2. Fire-linked: Nisha from B…

Paying extra, either cash or unique currency, to roll the shop’s timer forward and cycle in a new list. Also, shops offer only

green-or-higher items in NVHM

blue-or-higher items in TVHM>UVHM

COMs for DLC characters that you don’t have do not appear in your game, either as drops or shop items. Likewise, FTSs for DLC that you do not have don’t appear on the map.

Credit to @ippou:

Update to that air vehicle concept: Desires For Borderlands 3 - #733 by Raven_Ghosthawk

piloted by NPC, manned by players.
players can sky-dive out: Desires For Borderlands 3 - #811 by Raven_Ghosthawk

Some of these are old ideas, but what about having the ability to equip/carry:

up to 2 separate builds so you don’t have to hit the New-U and reset/respec? Cannot be toggled, and buffs do not carry over, preventing loop-stacking.
(I’m sure somebody mentioned this before…)
up to 2 shields that are active at the same time but run off their own numbers, allowing for a multitude of effect combinations. A quirk to this is that their numbers cannot stack onto each other.
To clarify the way this works, a player equipped with an -capacity Nova Shield (shock) and an [x-200]-capacity Nova Shield (acid) that has both shields overloaded will have the Acid Nova trigger before the Shock Nova; both shields will also recharge independently and retain their individual performances, resulting in an effect overlap up to the furthest common range number.
up to 2 sets of mod/grenade/relic [or relic equivalent], which can be toggled out with the push of a button to fit the situation
credit to @brad_fox10: Desires For Borderlands 3 - #461 by brad_fox10

l_gabrielcruz · 2016-04-06T12:30:49.349Z

I was thinking about melee weapons after watching @Derch and @DemoniteBL and, honestly, I do not longer think it would be a good idea.
In BL series, outside of VH with melee dedicated AS like Zer0 and Krieg, I dont think that melee should be a dedicated way to play. Borderlands is a FPS after all, and the main aspect is the near infinite number of guns. So why put it aside and start to only punch everyones face?

I like what they did with melee in TPS. The VH had an unique effect attached to their melee strike, complementing their gun playstyle.
Athena had the bleed debuff and Blood Rush, helping her to close the gap and benefit from her innacurate but safe AS.
Wilhelm has the Explosive Punch, taking down frost enemies with easy. Note that Cold War was a natural freeze source so there was some synergy, even the skill doesnt working properly.
Nisha has the range of her whip and some Interact with her first skill tree, being able to strip shields in a large area or going melee/gun hybrid with all her buffs from Order stacks.

I want to see something like this in the next BL. Every VH having some unique trait in their melee strikes.
I dont want something like Axton, with additive buffs to his melee strikes that count nothing in the higher levels.

barrk · 2016-04-10T14:48:24.741Z

leave moonstones/eridium but make the ammo/permanent character upgrades ACCOUNT WIDE it’s so tiring to get all the upgrades on your main then go on an alt and you run out of pistol ammo in 3 seconds so you have to farm it all again

especially in tps because there is so much other stuff to spend moonstones on like grinder … honestly the moonstones/eridum themselves should be account wide too