True, I hadn’t factored in that monty’s team wouldn’t help.
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Yup! I agree. Also an overly aggressive Reyna works wonders too
Reyna Quick Melee too OP for Montana
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I don’t even know what to say to this…[quote=“zadymek, post:20, topic:1586439”]
BTW What did Team 1 picked beside Benny, Caldy and Alani?
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My bad, it was Benny, Alani and Shayne (Gali would have been 100x better). They then picked Caldy and Marquis. The last 2 picks are a bit better, but the only wound is Caldy’s and it’s not a great one.[quote=“hockeyswede31, post:21, topic:1586439, full:true”]
True, I hadn’t factored in that monty’s team wouldn’t help.
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I know they would, but what’s a montana gonna do when he’s wounded all the time and being focused. He shouldn’t last long. Montana is a strong pick mid-late draft, but definitely not a first pick.[quote=“RedX, post:22, topic:1586439”]
Yup! I agree. Also an overly aggressive Reyna works wonders too
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She’s still very underrated and isn’t seeing enough competitive play still![quote=“RedX, post:22, topic:1586439”]
Reyna Quick Melee too OP for Montana
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New meta confirmed 
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Gonna have to disagree I suppose. Guess that’s one of the big differences between the 2 consoles. The other ones I see are that ps4 thinks marquis is god, and that Benedict is average at best. I’ve seen Benedict not even picked in Overgrowth games which my brain can’t even comprehend.
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As in one of the highest damaging characters in the game? Yeah he’s a great pick, can’t go wrong with him![quote=“hockeyswede31, post:24, topic:1586439”]
Benedict is average at best
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No, he’s just easily countered and isn’t a first pick.
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Marquis is a good character, but he’s routinely picked early all the time, and sometimes banned on ps4. That’s what I can’t get onboard with.
Yeah, Benedict can be countered, but the characters that can neutralize him, short of isic, he can take out just as quick, with less effort. Top tier wave clear, great mobility, strong burst damage, 2 kill confirming skills. 100% worth an early pick.
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I feel like Xbox players in general are pretty behind when it comes to competitive play. I think the biggest problem is that a lot of the teams are a bit too reliant on meta/strong characters that are often banned. They just don’t usually function super well without a boldur drawing all the fire, a ghalt hooking people out of safety, thorn’s amazing damage output, etc… It’s good to be able to play all these characters when they are available since they are so strong, sure, but it’s as if those characters are all they put their time into. Once those characters are banned, the teams seem to have absolutely no idea what to pick sometimes. If someone were, say, a thorn main or something, (Which there are a few people super dedicated to thorn that I know on here) and thorn gets banned, it’s not only a strong ban on a really good character, but it’s also effectively a target ban on that person, so that person not only has to play a weaker character, but also one that they didn’t put a whole lot of time into. I have nothing against people wanting to main one character or anything, especially if they like that character a lot, but if it’s one of the best characters in the game and they intend to play draft where it is often banned, they need to have a backup character or two that they have put a similar amount of time into, and a lot of the teams don’t seem to take this sort of thing into consideration.
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I know what I would:
2 of 3 Montana’s skills render him immovavble and best target for bubbling. While his somewhat movable skill makes ppl a bit slower, where my response to it would be to Riptide’ em.
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Alani is good against Monty because it’s free stacks, but I think saying Alani counters him is a big stretch.
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Agreed.
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The meta is the same on across all platforms. Thorn doesn’t hit any harder on xbox compared to her ps4 self. Ghalt’s hooks don’t travel faster on PC and Pendles still gets ■■■■■■ by draft. The only difference in platforms is how many competitive players there are.
From my experience playing on PS4 and X1 I’d say there are probably more people that play competitively on PS4 than X1 (if 1/100 players were competitive on PS4 than I’d say about 1/150 X1 players are competitive, I’m pulling these numbers out of my ass but you get the picture) but if the best teams from both platforms were to face off, it’d probably be an even game.
I wouldn’t take all the games on X1’s League to represent the best the community. If I remember right the best team on X1 isn’t even in the League (not sure why, I just know they aren’t playing this season). Kinda like you wouldn’t take Phist Phorce to represent the best PS4 has to offer despite them being in the league too (granted they dropped out of the league this week).
The problem with Montana is that even though he has a lot to bring to a game, he has a lot of counter play. He also pretty much needs Miko since he’s the only support that can keep Monty sustained in Incursion. So grabbing Miko as an early pick (which is fine since KU and Alani aren’t the two “must have” supports anymore) gives you the option of Montana later. Considering that, the enemy team likely won’t grab Montana if they can’t have Miko, so grabbing Miko shouldn’t automatically mean grab Monty.
I don’t think Montana’s time is best spent getting shot at because literally any tank can do that. Montana, in my opinion, is best when the enemy team doesn’t have a wound. Which is why he’s best as a later pick in the game if he isn’t getting picked into his counters.
Here’s a game where Ash was playing Montana in a ten man. Montana was a last pick so since they had no wound and didn’t have a ton of ranged suppression.
(note, this was before the summer update and Boldur, Gali and Trixie were honor banned)
Oh, and Rath is actually a really good pick against Montana. Catalytic Smash is fast enough and easy enough to aim that you can reliably take Montana out of his dash before it connects with anything. It also has enough range to stop Hailstorm from a safe distance, so Rath can actually stop all of Monty’s skills before he gets full effectiveness from them (including the ult). Plus Rath can knock up Montana and Miko at the same time, giving a few seconds of Montana with out his DR, Dash or Miko heals for Rath’s team an opportunity to shred Montana. I wouldn’t say Rath is a hard counter to Montana but he definitely makes Montana’s counters have an even easier time doing their job.
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Fair point! As I said (somewhere) I don’t actually know who the players were so who knows! Although I have seen Montana/Miko in other streams, and do recognise one of the players who is considered one of the best!
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Toby IS the meta…
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Montana’s effectively the Toby of tanks.
Especially considering that Montana is still a great counter pick (if not one of the best) against big, beefy melee characters such as Attikus, Kelvin and Shayne & Aurox and still may work as a “pseudo-counter” against Toby & ISIC in the sense that they counter each other.
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So you’re saying Montana is awesome?
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I am getting so sick of seeing Thorn. It’s gotten to the point where Thorn is more annoying to me than Benedict right now. At least you can hit Benedict…
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I think that was my team. We were the worst team in the league, and though I’m not sure if my teammates would agree, I think our biggest problem all season was getting out-drafted.
Character familiarity played a big part too. I always did my best work with Orendi. Even when I was playing a character that should have worked better in the meta, I wasn’t doing as well because I often hadn’t played that character in a while (having been working on lore/levels/montage videos in pub matches).
if thorn is on the table for an early pick then Benedict doesn’t really fly (no pun intended). Benedict fits into certain comps ( like vs a team of squish) but we have players that are just too good with Toby/isic/Marquis to counter and risk a benedict pick.
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No the one I was referring to wasn’t you!
Although I did watch one you played in and I saw an Orendi target ban on you 
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