#36

This discussion again…? Deja vu, I guess.

#37

That wasn’t and isn’t the reason. The game works based off of account, not console. There’s simply no way to connect two accounts. If they allowed splitscreen accounts sharing things, they might be able to, but that would be extremely complicated from what I’ve heard.
@r.pac1.rp

#38

2K is one of the worst publishers I’ve seen. Expect nothing from them, and please don’t put that on Gearbox

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#39

I can confirm this as well. I also filed a support ticket because I play split screen since purchase about half the time I’m on battleborn. I can provide proof that the support person confirmed that the operation should be accessible to a 2nd player who has not purchased the operation or season pass. I will try to do split screen on it tonight to see if it is actually true.

#40

Not to say you might be wrong but:
In my experience as a 30 year old console gamer and occasional pc gamer, with a wide variety of games under my belt. With a lot of them being local multilayer (couch coop). I can definitely confirm this is a different way of handling dlc content especially considering couch Co op type gameplay. Xbox one even has a specific option so that other users can use paid content from other accounts on the same system.

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#41

I think this goes deeper, at least on PS4, than just a developer or publisher issue. On PS3 you could play split-screen on the same account, meaning all of your progress such as, for example, characters on Borderlands (1, 2 and TPS) were saved to that account, you could load up a game with a friend or family member or whoever and just play.

On PS4 now, in order to play split-screen on any game you must be signed in to two separate accounts, as each controller can only sign in to a separate account, signing into the same account with a second controller will turn off the first controller an switch controller 2 to controller 1. And then of course there’s the problem of needing a PSN subscription, although a console-bound account with no PSN subscription can still play split-screen with a subscription holder so long as they make a new PSN account, and since BB is online only well…

This caused a big problem with BB, because in order to play split-screen both players first had to complete the solo prologue on that console, if you sign in with your account on a different console you have to play it over again. You can play without having completed the prologue, so long as P1 has completed it, but P2 will be locked into playing OM and not be able to access their gear.

Long rant, and it seems off-topic, but it’s not. My point is that this is not a developer or publisher problem, this is a problem with the system (At least PS4, I don’t know how Xbox handles this) and all of the above ranting is testament to that. We’re all getting angry at the wrong people, GBX and 2K each have control over different aspects of this game’s existence but in the end the problems being faced here and now are issues with the systems themselves and not anything do with the people who made the game. I’d like to close by saying fight the system, but then we’d have nothing to play the game on :stuck_out_tongue: :frowning:

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#42

Well that was from 2k Support, not gearbox. That member might not have recognized this game is server based and was going by console saved data. Now, I agree, that’s a ■■■■ up by the support department to say that and then the other outcome happen.

However, with that said, I stated previously this game is server based, and it is also a moba. As such, I compare it to games of the same type of genre. Like League for example. I have a friend who has spent 300 dollars on the game, she only has 12 permanent characters and less skins then this game even offers. This game is cheap, again, compared to other games of comparable genre. If we start comparing this game to different genres of course it will be more expensive.

And you’re right, most games don’t need double purchases but can you give me any examples of those games you purchased DLC for that saves everything to a sever and not your console. Essentially, tell me a game you own, that if you didn’t carry over your harddrive data to a different console, would you still have your save file or DLC? Battleborn you do, you just need to log in (and for some reason do the prologue again) and then you have access to everything all over again; however, I am sure for all the games you are thinking of you’d have to recover your save file from your old hardrive by transferring, and then redownload any and all dlc. That’s the difference. There have been examples of this kind of game in the past. It’s not new, just not common.

#43

See that’s what I am getting at. I think split screen was a mistake as it is misleading. In my previous posts I point out this is a sever based game. WoW doesn’t let you play co-op on the same PC, even if you plug in multiple mouses, keyboards, and have a big enough monitor for it. If they did have that feature people might also run into the same confusion when expansions come out.

Personally, I don’t think battleborn should have splitscreen. I am thankful it has it, but the split screen has only caused issues that confuse the players. It’s the split screen that hinges on all of this. Without split screen the problems wouldn’t be nearly as prominent.

#44

Please read this thread:

With a response from Joe.

#45

Companies are bound by US laws that require them to uphold certain promises if their support staff set the expectation to a customer/customers. (I work for one that actually follows the law and has to follow through with things of this nature per our legal department, so we take incorrect info or lies quite seriously.) So, if 2K’s support staff gave out the incorrect info that’s on the company to make right with the customers. That post has been up for 2+ months, it should have been cleared up well before the actual content dropped and those that purchased the SP based off the info provided by one of the developers of the game’s support, should be compensated in some manner (i.e. a voucher/code to obtain the second SP) or allowed to get refunds.

I have to agree with the prior sentiments that this type of treatment of the content does deviate significantly from 1.) Game DLC models of this type 2.) Prior DLC packages from 2K/Gearbox 3.) If this is all totally “known” and “legit” and it’s tied to my SHIFT account, if I have a PS4 and Xbox One copy of the game I don’t have to pay for the DCL/SP twice there right? It’ll just be accessible from the SHIFT account if the account based argument holds any water 4.) Their support staff lied. Also, as MS tried to tell me: where on 2K’s, GB’s, or the Battleborn site does it state outright (and prior to purchase of the SP) that you have to buy it per account even when playing local/couch co-op? Because it surely doesn’t tell you that before you buy it on the Xbox Live Store.

We have bought all the prior Borderlands games, including the Handsome Jack collection, and all the DLC’s to go with them. I even bought my Dad copies of them all and the DLC bundles so he could play them with us! We have given 2K/GB a good chunk of our limited disposable income and were happy to do so at the time, and we supported their new IP (i.e. Battleborn) only to get burned for it. We pay for Xbox Live. We paid full price to pre-order Battleborn. We paid full price for the Season Pass and they want us to pay even more for a second SP just to access the content locally for couch co-op. Absurdity. Greedy, greedy absurdity.

I got MS to refund the SP last night by pointing out the misrepresentation and lack of providing the content by the promised time frame as well. I sincerely hope it was soon enough for them to revoke the funds back from 2K/GB for the purchase. We also traded in the game to BB today, because we were that ticked off by this. Thanks for turning two fans into major haters. Totally appreciated 2K/GB. We expected better from you.

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#46

That actually isn’t even true. I bought a lot of Games plus DLC, unlike most People, i’m not an closeminded DLC Hater, and this is the first time where everyone is locked out on everything i bought. And please stop lying, i myself bought Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops and Ghost with the Mappacks, and you COULD EVERYTHING PLAY ON SPLITSCREEN/CO-OP(and if i have to counter your false claim, i really would download Ghost again and prove you wrong, because i know this for 100% for sure, because the only worth i and my friends/family find in CoD ist the Splitscreen playable botmode, which is pretty rare in these days), even if your splitscreen partners didn’t own the mappacks. I would understand it, if we talk about simple Friendsplay over online…okay but to lock out people on the same Console(aka Splitscreen) is bad practice and stupidly cashgrab. (I mean it could be they changed that in Black Ops 3, okay but than this an rare case - and not common. Commonly you can play every DLC in together in Splitscreen, without the Splitscreen Partner have to pay for the Season Pass DLC as well)

Imagine you buy an upcoming Mario Party or Mario Kart for NX for 70 Bucks, and every player on your console have to buy the same amount so he have also access to the game so you can play together. Or Fifa, or Borderlands 3.
I mean, i acutally feel like betrayed. I’m one of these Guys, who defended Gearbox often on other Forums and Friends, if they blamed Gearbox as bad developers because of outsourced Games like Duke Nukem or Alien. I execused that almost every time. And also i pointed out that Borderlands Series is one of the best Examples, how DLCs should be done. Fair Price, fair package. But this Case is like an Knife in the Back. Its like the trust i have put into them is betrayed by simply greed.

And sorry to say that, i lost so much trust into Gearbox, that they can be sure i won’t buy Borderlands 3 on Console on Release Day(or even at all), until it is guaranteed that you can PLAY EVERYTHING, the Game itself AND the upcoming DLC’s in splitscreen without paying twice(Because like it stands now, it wouldn’t me even suprise if Borlderlands 3 Splitscreen is locked behind an paywall… ). I mean you can’t expect that some People of Family/Friends buy 20 Bucks for an Game they don’t own, for an Console they don’t have. Sorry but that is plain dumb. And some of my Friends who actually considered to buy Battleborn plus maybe season pass decided they will not to support such bad practice.

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#47

That’s because those games were on older consoles where you could log in to the same account as a guest.

Different console, account-bound DLC, no guest split-screen.

#48

Black Ops 3 you could play the maps splitscreen they just wouldn’t have the weapons you got with the season pass. Xbox one

#49

So is gearbox going to do something about this or not, I need to know because I’m considering trading the game/ attempt to get a refund for season pass.

#50

I can see where you’re coming from but from a gaming company that has produced 3+ heavily awesome games where couch co op is just as good as solo play in almost all ways, and none of the paid dlc content was locked off for the couch Co op players…

This is kind of ludicrous especially considering I’m one of 2 or more people who were told specifically by gearbox support this would not be the case.
I’ll definitely update the forums on what happens next because I’ll be talking to gearbox.

#51

Gonna disagree with you on the console thing. On x360 my girlfriend and I played Bl2 and the presequal. We both hunt trophies and achievements and whatnot. There is no way in hell we were gonna use guest mode. Not to mention, the one time we tried? We could only use brand new characters. Didn’t go too well with my level 50 mechro…
And yet… I bought dlc. And we were both able to use it. Characters, tiny Tina’s, Torgue, etc.

So no, it’s not the console. It’s the creators. I’ve never seen this. You wanna point to CoD? (Which @LightningYu says is inaccurate) go for it. You gonna bring up how “fair” Activision and all them are with their dlc prices? Or how about when they put Battlefield 2’s online behind a cash wall unless you bought a brand new copy? The day gbx is on par with the puppy mills of the gaming industry is the day I sell anything pertaining to them.

I want to defend gbx. I do. I have spent thousands of hours in the worlds they have hand crafted. I go back through bl2 every year or so at least once… It’s that time of year now actually… And, honestly? This doesn’t affect me. I bought the season pass upon release. My girlfriend got it because she really wanted to use Alani. So I can still play. And I will! I’ll enjoy the hell out of it, too!

That doesn’t make it any less despicable, in my eyes. I hope this is settled in a good way. I approve of their pricing. And what they’re doing for the people who bought season passes - so many freebies. But at the same time… They’ve taken a few hard left’s lately. And I’m worried about the bad rep they’ve been developing. I hope this doesn’t hurt the company too badly.

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#52

I did mention that I’m unsure how Xbox handles this, and I also did mention that this is relevant to the new consoles not the old, at least PS4. So at least as far as PS4 is concerned, yes this is a console problem, GBX and 2K have no control over how the system is handled or how DLC is distributed on PSN.

I’m not sure what you mean by guest mode entirely, did you play on the same account with P2 being a guest on that account, or is there some other option on Xbox 360? If so, on PS3 you could do this but still have access to all of your characters, that’s how PS3 players used to transfer gear from mules and power-level.

#53

Microsoft refunded the season pass for you? How recently had you purchased it?

#54

I haven’t tried any split screen on another game that involved dlc, so I can’t disprove what you’re saying on ps4. Challenge accepted. Sorry if I seem hostile, not my intent, especially towards you.
On 360 there was a guest account for online play and stuff. It never saved anything, but on CoD and the like, you had what the player with online had. In games like bl2, you had nothing.

Edit: Evolve, Magicka 2, Gauntlet, Middle Earth SoM. All games where other profiles have been able to use my dlc. All on ps4.

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#55

Why apologise? I wouldn’t expect you to believe me based on a whim, you don’t know me and you can’t prove this for yourself, you damn well better doubt me :stuck_out_tongue:

Wow, PS really did follow the Xbox example, both with this and with subscriptions. Funny that Sony set the pace, then followed the follower, I never knew Xbox was so unfriendly to split-screeners.

I’m not willing to buy any of these games to test this LOL. I guess I was partly wrong then so I should apologise, but part of the argument still stands though for another topic. This is all observation, I’m trying to figure it out like everyone else but it seems nobody knows who is to blame. Perhaps we should fight the system after all?

Why are consoles so unfriendly to split-screeners nowadays? The success of consoles was founded on the idea that multiple people could play together on the same system on the same screen. I’ve had this argument elsewhere before, but split-screen seems to be a forgotten concept, it’s a big part of the reason why consoles even exist and have done so well for so long. Consoles should be catching up to PC and competing on par, yet the biggest draw to having a console over a PC is failing…

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