Don't try Hyperion Slaughter Round 4 onwards with this guy

just not fun at all, like all his strengths are basically rendered powerless

if you want that Moxy Sniper best do with Maya, Axton, Sal or Krieg I guess

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Having done the entire slaughter at OP3 with nothing but a Stinkpot in Zer0’s hands for anything with armor (including Constructors), I’d like a minute for rebuttal.

I see you left Gaige out… on purpose or honest omission?

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Take note the OP generally plays without Moxxi and only with found gear (generally non-uniques), so stuff like melee is kinda out of the question. Not to mention the steep learning curve of melee anyway.

Hyperion Slaughter certainly isn’t easy for Zer0. I remember he was the last class I passed the arena in OP8 with without Moxxi (except Sal). Zer0 just can’t take the same level of punishment the other classes can and has poor slagging capability without Pimp/Slagga. The Badass Surveyors were a nightmare.

That said, it certainly isn’t impossible. Many people have gone and done the arena at OP8 even without min-max setups like @kbk160008. If you are trying to beat it for the first time, I recommend a Sniper heavy set-up. Get yourself some good corrosive and shock vladof snipers (the Lyuda is the best and easiest to farm) and play slowly and strategically. Oh and a good shotty helps alot too. Zer0, more than other classes, needs a good shield. Vanilla Turtles and Adaptives are very good. If you are willing to farm crystals, the Hoplite and Antagonist are best.

Decepti0n is your best friend so use it whenever you feel you are under pressure.

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There are most certainly viable builds for all classes (including melee Zer0) that do not require Moxxi gear to do well, and I know I’m not the only person who does this (including in the Hyperion Slaughter).

I’d say outside of Thoughtlock Maya with Cloud Kill, it’s not easy for any of them, but ‘easy’ is a matter of opinion. I, for example, would probably go bankrupt trying to get Salvador or Krieg through that, but I know other players steamroll that place with them.

Zer0’s not meant to be a tank, so while I agree with your assessment about how ‘soft’ he can be relative to the others, playing him like a tank means working around those deficiencies.

Besides Maya with Ruin/Scorn (did I mention she’s a beast in there?), who does have slagging capability on par with those weapons? Axton’s Double Up has a cooldown and the turret only focuses on the closest enemy. Neither Salvador nor Krieg have any built in slag, where Zer0 at least has a shot at free slag if one his kunai fires that element. I don’t think he has any more of a handicap in there than the other characters (Thoughtlock Maya notwithstanding).

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There are most certainly viable builds for all classes (including melee Zer0) that do not require Moxxi gear to do well, and I know I’m not the only person who does this (including in the Hyperion Slaughter).

Yes of course there are. I have beaten all the arenas cept Magic at OP8 without Moxxi, and I cited kbk’s Torgue setup as another example of this. And I would think Melee is out of the question (in hyperion slaughter) without moxxi unless I am shown some evidence to the contrary. The LT is your only alternative at OP8 without moxxi (because shield stripping without the Grog is sorta suicide), and I just can’t imagine running without a shield with Badass surveyors, constructors, RPGs, hell even simple bullets at OP8.

I’d say outside of Thoughtlock Maya with Cloud Kill, it’s not easy for any of them, but ‘easy’ is a matter of opinion. I, for example, would probably go bankrupt trying to get Salvador or Krieg through that, but I know other players steamroll that place with them.

Hyperion is a tough arena, so that is probably true. But trying to say an arena is equally easy/difficult for all classes is kinda… I mean, I probably have more hours on Zer0 than all the other 5 put together. He was my 2nd through the peak and my first without the Bee/Moxxi. But yet I still found Hyperion much tougher with him than Krieg or Maya. An arena which is notoriously difficult but plays to Zer0’s strengths is the Peak - on the contrary Krieg finds it a real nightmare without moxxi although Hyperion is a walk in the park for him.

Zer0’s not meant to be a tank, so while I agree with your assessment about how ‘soft’ he can be relative to the others, playing him like a tank means working around those deficiencies.

But that’s why Hyperion plays against Zer0’s strengths. Finks or the Peak plays very nicely with Zer0’s Decepti0n cycling and plays well at all distances. So normally Decepti0n makes up for his lack of tankiness and he often has sufficient intervals to heal. In Hyperion, some waves plainly work against this like the Jet Loader/BA wave, the RPG wave and the final one, which obviously heavily favors classes with ‘panic healing’ mechanisms, like Maya, Krieg or Gaige (BSS). Does that mean it is impossible? Of course not - just that as you said, you need knowledge and understanding and experience to work around these issues.

Besides Maya with Ruin/Scorn (did I mention she’s a beast in there?), who does have slagging capability on par with those weapons? Axton’s Double Up has a cooldown and the turret only focuses on the closest enemy. Neither Salvador nor Krieg have any built in slag, where Zer0 at least has a shot at free slag if one his kunai fires that element. I don’t think he has any more of a handicap in there than the other characters (Thoughtlock Maya notwithstanding).

I don’t think anyone is really on par with Maya, but Zer0 is kinda the worst of the rest? But of course I didn’t say this was only Zer0’s weakness. Gaige kinda suffers in this respect too - esp since she doesn’t have Zer0’s swap speed either. But she can take hits in the second or 2 it takes for the enemy to be slagged (and doesn’t need to aim at them either).

  • Salvador can offhand a slag weapon and save on swap time
  • With the Soldier Com, Axton has Double Up almost all the time, and boasts some of the best swap speed in the game. Without… yeah he is kinda disadvantaged.
  • Krieg, without a doubt is the 2nd best slag class in the game. He boasts the highest elemental effect chance (by a fair margin), swap speed and magazine size and some of the best FR. Basically any SMG/AR is a slagga in his hands.

I’m not saying Zer0 is a bad class - he is my favorite class in the franchise. I just think he has weaknesses, and there are certain situations which exacerbate these weaknesses. But weaknesses are part of good class design as they force a player to work around these weaknesses (something the TPS class designers didn’t really take into consideration but that’s for another time).

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http://bl2skills.com/assassin.html#505001000055355105015500515401

Legendary Ninja, Love Thumper, Corrosive Fastball, Bone of the Ancients

Rubi/Grog Nozzle, Rapier, Lyuda

git gud

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That’s Moxxie’s…
I wouldn’t dare to try any rounds of any arenas with melee Zero without at least a low level Ruby!

I have the utmost respect for players who restrict themselves with very specific gears or “only found” ect. But comes a point where you can’t blame the game or a character if you run into a wall.
Like saying the game don’t give enough ammo using only Sniper rifles or Vladof…
Some challenges require the best gears/builds.

Yeah Gaige I wasn’t sure… She’s great with shock but corrosive? I left her out on purpose. Maybe with pre-stack anarchy she could be good.

Axton? He’s one of best to do with, nuke Turrets are great for those pesky badasss repair flyers and lady fist for surveyors. Way easier than with Zero.

Yeah that video shows some pretty unique gear, like the other guy said I am level 65 Zero with gear from snowman and stuff and that’s it

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Yup I might get a rubi and try again… Maybe

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I literally just re-ran wave 5 with corrosive Gaige (though she’s my Maliwan rep can be hard pressed to do it without including a Moxxi weapon). I also play with BAR on and some UCP enhancements/nerfs. Shock and AAAGGHH helps reload speed, for example, and Shock Storm is seriously buffed, but I had Loaders coming at me with Nuke’ms, Pyrophobias, and one of them had a Hive (and everyone else has a shot at throwing unique weapons at me… someone had a Florentine and some hideous shock thing), so I call it even. It’s also only OP3.

The Law and Order for melee Zer0 will get you health steal without the Moxxi brand if you’re so inclined.

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Again, I see nothing but legendary gear

It is OP8 however, which is extremely difficult even with Moxxi, which he’s not using.

Anyways, the vid I posted was more tongue in cheek. I know there’s a big difference between gun Zer0 and melee Zer0.

Keep at it though! Zer0 is all about tactics and placement. Getting good with Zer0 makes you a better player with all characters :+1:

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Well except Sal. Having thumbs is all you need on console with him, and some working fingers :joy:

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How can you disregard my run with these words?
You have not experienced OP8. You have no idea.

Even the run was completed under NO FFYL conditions. Have you ever experienced clearing an arena on that condition even once, even if not op? even with Moxxi’s or whatever?

No you have not. You do not deserve to say this I quoted.

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I really don’t think it’s that impressive.

My opinion is (possibly unpopular) actually the game is harder in normal UVHM mode but at around level 50, because your character is underskilled.

NEW CHALLENGE: Someone do Hyperion Slaughter at lowest level possible on UVHM

yup THIS I would be impressed with

You are good at speaking. But you do not answer my question. Your view of what conditions are more difficult is trivial. You seem to have a bad habit of not having any experience, no achievement, but deciding everything with your mouth. Hey buddy. do not do that.

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