Haha yes! Continue doing what you guys do and surprise us! 
Itâs a good post.
I like your uplift tone, the hope that tries to rise and all⌠And I want to trust Gearbox, I really want.
The problem is, right now, trying to trust Gearbox is like trying to trust Doctor Henry Jekilll⌠You can trust him but in the same time is the psychopath Mr. Edward Hyde (2k in this case) and you suddenly realise that, even when you like Jekill, Hyde will try to smother you with a pillow in your sleep =__=
Evolved? A guess what publisher company dinamited that game with greedâŚ
And @JoeKGBX, not knowing is part of the problem, not a charming thing to say. I really want to know if Gearbox is gonna rock my socks off and around when. If I have some impulse in my life about to trust something without even a little proof, Iâll go to church 
Really, I want to be optimistic, I was optimistic even when I had a long queue time, even when I saw how the sales were less every day and even after a sale in the title but right nowâŚ
Yeah, a lot of people is sad and angry, but isnât for a capricious nature or because they donât have anything else to play. Heck, I got a lot of free time, I play other games⌠But, for a side, I trusted Gearbox with Battleborn and for the other, my money hurts me. It hurts me when Iâm starting to think I bought something I didnât have to buy and for a price it didnât deserved.
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The doctor analogy is well put. I am really not sure how much influence 2K have over this game though, and on Evolve for that matter.
And on what Joe say, he is trying to hint that there is sth big that they are planning. I prefer that than silence or just forcing more money out of us. Wait you donât go to church?
Yeah player base is really worrying⌠I sold my game the first time solely on that reason. They have to really come up with something big.
I really understand how you feel, having paid for a game and not get its worth. But that is the risk when you buy games. Especially when you bought it on launch date. It is a really risky bet youâve made but the odds cannot be better than betting it on Gearbox. If it comforts you in any way, just know that they would not want to break the trust between them and the customers. They still have Borderlands 3 on the way. So abandoning this game is not an option for them.
Howâs it go again? Happy is the country that has no history. Tolstoy? Anyway, the point is is that negativity wonât necessarily harm the game. And not all of it is bad if itâs constructive. Threads about the game dying arenât ever really helpful, but there are others which are concerned because they want the game to be great.
I could ignore this game and go off to play another. My primary concern is that something bad will happen to it when I look away. Itâs happened before. I actually want to get the most out of it, because I really value this game.
There are many ways where I can say, honestly and without a touch of irony or humour, that this game stands among few others, it is one of the few where I feel Iâm having more fun Iâve had with video games since the '80s-early '00s. You know, before the crapfall hit in '06 and everything became obsessed with fidelity and over-the-top shaming became a thing, everyone got a free girder to stuff up their butt. That sort of thing.
I place this with Undertale and Xenoblade Chronicles X.
I hold it in incredibly high regard. And I just want them to do right by their own game. Sometimes, I canât help but feel like what theyâre doing is destructive. The nuclear nerfs, for example. There have been so, so many threads where people have been disheartened with the nerfs, whoâre depressed by how little consideration they had behind them. Even abstract nerfs, like removing perches from various levels, instead of just instead altering the geometry to make sure that a player can be shot at from all angles in that perch.
Thatâs the only part that makes me sad. Everything else, everything else, I can support. I love Alani, I dig their new skins, I adore the look of the new characters theyâre going to be adding⌠I just love this game. If ever Iâm negative, I only want to be constructively so.
I really canât express how fun I find this game.
The thing is, though? After the first nuclear nerf, designed to suit PvP, not PvE? I stopped playing ISIC in PvE because he stopped being fun to play in PvE. This is a thing that many of my favourite games have done to actually kill themselves off. And itâs depressing. This is why I urge them so strongly to separate PvP and PvE balancing, and to hold off on balancing until theyâve done just that. Iâve pointed out that the balancing of Borderlands was much more sensible, and largely because it wasnât beholden to PvP.
In general, what I want to see from now onâŚ
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More considerate balancing, show us the buffs (of ridiculously weak characters and broken ultimates) along with the nerfs, show you have numerical baselines for things like damage, healing, survivability, et cetera;
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Stop taking away perches and ways that characters can harmlessly explore, it doesnât break either PvP or PvE, but if someone canât be hit in a perch just modify the geometry so that they can rather than destroying the perch;
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Separate the balancing of PvP and PvE;
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Communicate your desire for future balancing changes before you do it, this way the community can give you numbers and stats to either affirm or counter what youâre seeing, every community has numerical balancing geniuses and itâs important to find them (Iâm not one of them, not even saying that, I only know a little);
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Communicate more about the future of PvE, such as the upcoming missions, also share more concept art and things like developer Q&Aâs, if we can see you being positive about your game in videos itâll do much to help us be optimistic;
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Do more community spotlights and highlight community art, Jim Foronda on Twitter is doing this almost single-handedly at the moment, so if you need someone to be a community liaison and to pick out art to share, have him do it;
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Consider creating more merch, at least run some polls to see what people would be interested in and to what numbers;
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Run some creative competitions, ESOâs art competitions did so much to draw attention to the game and to bring people together, there was so much cool art and it really made everyone pumped for the game.
Thatâs what I can offer.
If I am ever negative though itâs only an inverse of how much I love this game and it really is only ever meant to be constructive. I get feelsy and emotional, I know, but thatâs who I am. I donât know whether itâs because Iâm autistic, or what, but I care about this game.
And thereâs a lot more they could be doing better.
Sure, I could turn a blind eye and ignore the game, but Iâd be missing out on a game I really love. A game I plan on supporting. I just threw thirty quid at them earlier today to buy a whole bunch of skins and taunts, I donât mind being a âwhaleâ for a game that matters to me this much.
In so many ways, Battleborn has encapsulated the spirit of the '90s and early '00s. They were bold enough to give the middle finger to over-the-top shamers and I love them for that. I wonât ever hold them in anything but high regard for that.
So my emotions for this game are complicated, but by and large incredibly positive.
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I dont want to rain on your parade, since I still like BB and still playing it.
But the comparison with L4D2 wont work out in BBâs favour at all.
BB, released May 2016, players this moment according to steam: ~700
L4D2, released 2009, players this moment according to steam: 10.000+
And praise GBX as much as you like, but regarding the most pressing issue on PC, the dwindling player numbers, there is only awkward silence from GBX. And I have been visited enough gaming forums to know the communication about it could be handled alot better and alot more encouraging by the developers.
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Update to add FOV slider and 60fps play on consoles? Canât wait!
Brevity is the soul of wit.
Fewer words make it easier to read and understand.
You say âI was about to post telling people to just play other games while GBX work more on BB but then @Ganjamira beat me to it in one of his/her replies (still not sure of this guyâs gender haha) to a recent post.â
I would agree. But these were changes that made things worse for some to benefit others.
Thatâs not right.
It is better to take your time and fix things so all benefit. Or at least none are harmed. (using you doctor analogy).
GBX chose to change things to benefit PVP at the expense of PVE.
Yes, emotions run high. That is the gaming community.
I have seen few resort to expletive laden tirade, name calling, etc.
We speak our minds, but with passion.
I respect your opinion (and typing skills); however, we will continue to express our displeasure.
Would you rather people just rage quit and never return?
I have seen those who did.
Understand for every person who was FURIOUS about Alani, Ambra, Galilea (etc) being over powered, or someone having gear that made them too hard to beat, there are now those who are FURIOUS that these changes came with unintended consequences to the PVE community. (similiar to the Cane Toad in Australia or Kudzu in Georgia)
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Just to clearify, my mentioned post there was directed to a member who (it seemed to me that way) sounded very bored & frustrated with BB in general. So I said that I switch games when I bored with game X.
I never ment to say âIgnore the problems and do somehing elseâ.
I agree with you - don´t stop the feedback!
Its important fo GBX to see all perspectives, but theres a difference between negative feedback and rage posts. Thats why I also agree with the OP.
Many changes in the Battleplan wereâŚharsh and very surpising for me. Personally I´m quiet sad about âMossires Mukluksâ and some of Alanis changes seem still very hard to me, as I play mostly PvE as well. I can totally understand the dissappointment of many gamers.
But I don´t understand why their dissappointment seems to entitle some to insult other members for their opinion or perspective. And that happened alot in the last 48-72hours.
Feedback = Totally needed!
Flaming and insulting GBX/other players/fellow members = Not constructive at all.
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Love the positive message here. Iâm right there with you. I too have been playing other games; GTA has had some major updates, Doom came out, I got Witcher 3, etc. The distance from the game really helped me gather even more enjoyment on the occasions when I jumped back in.
Iâve also just been trying to stay away from the forums. This is kind of my first big leap into a dedicated forum for a major game release, so I have little other experience with online game forums. But this one seemsâŚoverwhelmingly negative. I feel really bad for @JoeKGBX some days, because he has to swim through/manage the river of crap that is this forum. I mean, if ever there were damning evidence of how entitled gamers are these daysâŚ
But there I go being negative too. Thatâs not why weâre here. I love the game, have been enjoying it, and I know for a fact GBX plan to continue to support it, as best they can, despite 2K and Take Twoâs meddling. I actually live very close to where GBXâs main office is, in Texas, and have playtested for them before. (It was purely volunteer work, I wasnât paid or anything.) When you actually meet the people who work on these games, and see how much they care about their product, and making sure that people enjoy it, and want them to continue experiencing it, then it kind of puts all these other misgivings to rest. 
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Look, letâs assume I could tell you EVERYTHING that we have in the hopper thatâs coming up â would you really want that? One big info dump and then ⌠nothing. Something tells me that wouldnât go over well. Now donât get me wrong, I know thatâs not what you meant. Taking things from one extreme to the other does not a good analogy make. I just want to encourage you guys to be patient and enjoy the ride. Weâre only 7 weeks out from launch. Thereâs still a ton of info to share. Issues are being talked about and worked on everyday here. Activities and events are being planned and discussed (one of the big things on my to-do list today as a matter of fact). People are working hard on things that weâre excited to share with you guys, but itâs imperative that we have a plan in place for sharing that information.
I know itâs tough to wait â believe me, Iâve been there â but we firmly believe itâll be worth it.
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We definitely want to increase the player counts. We have a lot of fun with Battleborn, and know there are a number of fans who are also having a good time with the game. We want to get that same experience to more people. 
The âget more playersâ thing is a hard one to address in communication, though, because (as youâve pointed out) promises are just air and words until they happen. So, weâre trying very hard not to over-promise. That said, we still need to communicate, and are trying to find the balance between active, interesting communication and developing expectations for things we want to do, but may be a long time in coming.
Every game on the planet wants âmore playersâ. Every game has to find itâs own path to doing that. Sometimes bad games get lots of players. Sometimes good games have few players. Sometimes, games get what they deserve.
The most I can really tell you folks now is that weâre still committed here. While our communication isnât always perfect, we are working every day on updates to the game. We hope every update and every decision we make benefits and entertains you in some way.
Weâre still committed to all of the content weâve promised - more maps, more modes, the mission content in the seasons pass, more characters. Those are all in progress and coming as fast as we can get them to you. While weâre doing that, we are spending effort addressing other issues - balance, matchmaking, leaving, cheating, performance (to name a few) - have constant ongoing efforts. Weâre trying to find ways to communicate more details about that do you, but we want to do so when we are confident in the changes we can bring to the game because (again) we donât want to set wrong expectations for you. I hate being disappointed as much as everyone else, so for now, we err on the side of slower information over wrong information or misleading time frames.
SoâŚTLDR - weâre still here. Weâre still working. We still believe in Battleborn. We have lots of ways we can improve, both in the game and in our communication with you folks.
And as always - thanks for your support. Keep talking to us.
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Hey man I read your whole reply and your ideas are sound! I really love the game for the humor too. From Attikus saying âI have no idea how to express himselfâ to Boldur talking to a computer (was it a acomputer that he was talking to at the experiment?). I usually giggle at jokes in a game. But BB really makes me laugh multiple times! I love this game too man. This is the first ever forum that i have been active in. I genuinely want to see this game fly.
See the replies below! @Jythri is actually reassuring us again that they are hearing us. And I am starting to believe that. The latest battleplan seemed like they completely ignored our feedback saying that we donât want anymore nerfs. I canât explain why they did that. You actually convinced me that nerfs are bad for the game. Please bring the buffs GBX! In Dota 2, whenever I see buffs, I actually get hyped and wanting to play the heroes with the buffs. Nerfs donât really make me wanna play more just because one hero or 2 got weaker. @shaman.wulf really makes a good point about nerfs destroying pve too.
Anyway, I saw your other post man! Please donât go! Maybe help me up my command rank? Haha.
Just an idea maybe you guys could show off a little bit of the new stuff you have been working onâŚmaybe a few screenshots of a new map or mission, or a video showing off a new character a little bit. Just a little something to show the doubters that you guys are working on some really cool things that they should stick around for.
Keep up the good work Iâve been a fan of this company for years, you guys have made games that I spent hours upon hours playing and I can still go back and play them and have just as much fun as before. So I have faith in you guys
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We have things in the works that aim to scratch this specific itch and weâre hoping to share more about that very soon.
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AwesomeâŚi know the game hasnât been out very long but people seem to be very impatient for some reason(more so than usual) and this would be nice so those people could at least see what your working onâŚon a separate issue was the issue of the bug where alot of shepards show up discussed this morning? Sorry I know it donât belong here but Iâm on my phone and its being kind of slow, it would take like 10 min to find the page where you commented on it earlier
The team was aware as I thought they would be and itâs a top priority for investigation today. Iâm keeping up on that process and will keep you guys updated. I think the aim is to have a quick fix in as soon as possible.
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First of all, Iâm glad that you jumped there to respond and I appreciate that and I like you didnât jump the gun with my comment.
Yes, I didnât meant I want to know everything you guys have in storage for us, just information in general.
In our situation, mine in particular 'cause obviously I only can speak for myself, you can understand we are a little tense with all this matter.
The game we wanted to support isnât doing ok, people is playing less and less, still we doesnât have any information, solid one, in new content and even if that was according to a schedule, a game with no microtransactions in the beginning, now asking money so little after release and without even given an already paid content like dlcs, you can get we are tense, at least, about it.
Also, the radio silence is what hurted most with the T2 skins debacle, because people was getting their hopes high, asking questions and making theories about these skins in particular and after that silence the only response came after a leak, asking for more money on a game where we paid a lot, at least in my case.
Itâs tough only not knowing, but also this, for the silence involved in it, looked like an attempt to milk the cow before it dies and I know Gearbox has zero do to with marketing and sales, but still this is a Gearbox baby and is gonna look bad for Gearbox in the end.
I want to believe the game is gonna worth my money and time, Iâm playing it even when I have queues for half hour now but I really, really, want to start to see the value of my money and not another attempt to pull more money from me.
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Preferably that grenadier - thatâs my kind of hero! 
Second that!
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