#183

I think gearbox already gave Grenade Moze a viable semi-infinite grenade setup with setting shield boosters to autopickup in combination with the Big Boom Blaster. This was done in the last hotfix. The Big boom blaster can also give 10% weapon damage boosters and 15% firerate when depleted.

#184

There also was an Xbox update right now, and holy crap i’m playing and press Y to sell stuff on the vending machine boom get thrown out of the game -> update -> console will restart several times blah blah blah … hilarious! It’s worse than Windows 10 crap update-reboots while you are working, because on Windows 10 I now at least can 100% prevent them.

#185

this is totally understandable but wouldn’t have been then possible to integrate the first granade nerf in the patch with the fix of the week after which was making them more (re)usable?

On the other hand, the removal of the splash quality from hex, stormfront and quasar was never deployed as hotfix on the first place, so I am quite confused on what is gearbox testing here with a permanent patch instead of an hotfix.
Ah, if only we had patch notes out already…

#186

i don’t know man, i’m not sure how i feel about that. that change made so all classes can do granade spam. moze could build into that and use other shields for syneregi. if she has to use the same shield as everyone else to make her build work it just feels like theres less options. a build should be able to work on it’s own, with items to futher improve it - not require a specific item to make it actually work. might not be the case right now, but just the idea of that being a thing doesn’t sound to great to me.

#187

I see what you mean, but the game has always required gear in order to get the most out of builds. I think an issues with grenade moze is that it required just 1 type of mirv hex and then you can clear any content with it without even aiming. Now with the Big Boom Blaster you have to think a bit more before you throw grenades and the 10% damage boosters and 15% fire rate should help increase weapon dps after the reduction in grenade spam. This week also has increased drop rates on anointed gear which should allow you to get the items more easily, I got atleast 3-4 anointed big boomblasters in the last 2 days.

While I’m sad to see the build nerfed so hard lately (since I mained grenade moze for a while and had fun with it) I gotta say the way it was before it just facerolled everything pressing 1 button and made the game boring to me. I think with the right setup it will still be one of the best builds out there, it will require more work though.

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#188

yeah but let’s not forget vampyr, it’s only giving her life steal off granade damage, so it’s already very limited… messing with her granades at all can give big complications to her surivabilty. i mean, in amaras elemental tree she gets sustainment which heals her from all elemental damage she deals, zane gets healed when he damage frozen targets and both have passive healing. Moze have none of that. she only has life steal off granades.

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#189

Yeh that’s true, but I think vampyr suffers more when you use grenades like the hex. The healing is per enemy hit, maybe other larger aoe grenades will be best now. You can always use transfusion grenades as well.

#191

yes, but vampyr makes all her granades transfusion, so if you need a transfusion granade ontop of that? that sounds wrong to me, if that’s what you meant

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#192

Transfusion grenades can recharge your shield, meaning the Big Boom Blaster will instantly regen and then deplete again for +1 grenade. That should be an infinite loop.

#193

Also vampyr heals instantly, transfusion trails take 1/2 seconds to arrive. Which should give double healing opportunities.

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#194

doesn’t big boom blaster recharge 60% shield of it’s own though? but yeah, impossible for me to brainstorm in this gotta see it in practice

i just think that if you invest so many points into survivability, you shouldn’t need to use surivabilty items, you already kinda sacrifice damage technically, atleast in moze case - especially if they removed her granade regen which were main source of damage with that tree. there are no +gun damage skills in demo tree etc. again, amara can boost her damage via elemental damage and get sustain as a bonus, moze rely on her granades to do damage and survive, atleast how i play. i don’t use bloodletter.

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#195

So what I’m reading is moze is pretty much done for regaining health from nades.

Is this correct?

Spam build aside, it’s the only way she gets health back. Right?

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#196

I’m not sure whether the big boom blaster needs to be ‘active’ in order to drop the boosters. like whether it needs to have atleast 1 percent in order to drop grenades. Transfusions should help with that if that’s the case. But yeh will have to wait and see what works

#197

i don’t know, i don’t have the patch myself but people are saying it simply doesn’t work anymore and other say it works but changed - there’s no clear answer it seems. all i know it’s not the same as it was yesterday

@Colossum3

i think your shield need to be active for it to work

also another change seems to be that instead of giving storm front the nerf treatment, they just made it to simply not work with vampyr

#198

Is this patch console-exclusive right now? I haven’t seen any patch in the Epic launcher. It still says v1.0.2 on my end.

#199

only xbox recived it afaik

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#200

It’s not funny because it’s true…
But it’s funny.

#201

Oh look, another Moze nerf before they’ve even given her an endgame viable action skill.

“AAA” Development right here folks.

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#202

Amara has an infinite grenade setup. You just need an anointed grenade that regens after action skill

I can phasegrasp 5 seconds after I use it

#203

That’s not infinite. Moze could press the grenade button 24/7 without stopping and never run out + heal from it + crit with them and make her weapon never have to reload.

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