Gearbox, view this review link and you will see the main issue of our Frustration with Battleborn

Well (taking away insults of course), if one is forbidden to write his mind in what he trully beleives in a forum, then what is the point of it? What you beleive is what you beleive, what i beleive is what i beleive and the world goes on, live with it. We will never agree on the same terms and once again, repeating myself again, this is only for gearbox and i do not give a cent about who ever disagrees because they treat this as some fanatic blind religion where one must agree with you? I am growing tired here and i have already sent my message to gearbox. The rest is for me just to wait up for the following months to see how this ends and how much fun it ia going to be to play on empty servers if it goes wrong.

Actually the SteamDB info does in fact give us this information. It gives you: Total Owners, Total Players, and Players in the Last Two Weeks as well as breakdowns of their playtime.

SteamDB Graphs link

The following is a snip from that page.


As you can see, it has all of the information I referenced.

Here is another graph from that same page.

Green is Total Owners
Red is Total Players
Blue is Players in 2 Weeks

As you can see, total players in two weeks has dropped by 50% in the last month or so.

Again I didn’t say you can’t share your thoughts and opinions. But you keep taking what people say and make it about something else.

I heavy seen anyone here say battleborn doesn’t need to do anything, just some have disagreed with the direction you laid out.

Sorry, i agree with you, my mistake. I forgot about that detail on switching charactets during matches will not let me evolve. I kind of quited the game already a month ago and am just waiting for it to improved and get fixed. But on the other items i still maintain my thoughts.

That’s a good point, and I’ve seen the 150,000 number quoted elsewhere. Sorry about that.

But those numbers make the actual thrust of that section even more stark, if Overwatch really has 10 million “active accounts” that means that at best Battleborn had 1.5% of that number.

Retention is one thing, and there are tons of reasons for retention that we can talk about elsewhere, but when you have less than 5% of the population of your “competitor” things become way more difficult for you.

Less word of mouth.
Fewer streamers.
Less fan art creation.
Less social media presence.
It goes on and on.

More generally, the machine that allows your game to grow organically stops working as well.

My claim has never been that what GBX is doing is perfect, I just want to make sure that people are aware that not all “problems” with a game are internal.

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The purpose of a forum is an avenue by which open discussion is facilitated and in most instances promoted.

This doesn’t equate to a Mad Max method of discussion where the concept of freedom of speech either intermingles with or is wholly confused with the idea of unrestricted capacity to say whatever comes to mind.


I really feel like I need to stress something that has been a topic of debate. One of the primary reason we prohibit any and all dismissive/demeaning/derogatory or otherwise rude language is because it acts as a stymie to free speech.

If one were to say; “I do not believe in the Easter Bunny, therefore I do not believe in ________________.” It is a poorly manufactured clandestine attempt at insulting users, claiming that anyone who disagrees with your point of view is either in some form of denial or wholly hallucinating.

When we remove posts insulting other users for speaking ill of Battleborn, we’re told;

“Are you crazy! I was defending the game! I’m out of here!”

When people insult users for having a positive opinion on Battleborn we’re;

“Suppressing free speech!”

It is comical how those two are obviously mutually exclusive. So this is what I will say to this.

Anyone who either overtly, or by way of poorly veiled attempts, insults our users or demeans there opinion will have action taken against them. We don’t care if you despise our products or have an altar set up in your room with Rath in a divine sepulcher. Our job as moderators is to make certain that speech is facilitated, and we will do so.

Pushing users out of conversations by veiled insults is not practicing free speech, it is the opposite. It is making sure your opinion is the only one heard by intimidating others out of a conversation.

Stick to talk about the game. Full Stop.


Here you will find your actual, 24 hour peak and Total :

Blizzard could crap in a bag and their marketing team would find a way to sell it.
Kotaku would probably have article after article about crapbag and how wonderfully refreshing playing with crap is. Others will talk about how much better crap was when it was food.

What was this thread about again?

150.000 total owners is only steam btw :wink:
Everyone knows consoles sold a lot better… i don’t remember where, but someone from gearbox once said ps4 sold as many copies as pc and xbone together and xbone sold better than pc.
I guess it’s around 1 million copies sold total (all plattforms combined).
So basicly it’s 10% of what overwatch managed to sell.


I was simply countering your assertion that the math on these posts was bad. The data exists to support a low active playerbase. In my opinion, the bigger problem is that the people who do play simply do not play enough.

As it regards to consoles, there isn’t too much information, but according to vgchartz (not 100% sold on them as a reliable source, but it’s something), Battleborn has sold around 170k copies on PS4. It is probably logical to assume the XB1 numbers are similar. This would mean total owners across all 3 platforms are fairly similar. So Battleborn has sold just under half a million copies compared to Overwatch’s 7 million or so.

I would not argue that Battleborn is “dying” necessarily. It was simply small from the outset. However, of those people who purchased the game, not many of them are taking the time to play. GBX still has a window to reach these people, I think, and I hope they can do so. It is my firm belief that 3 or 4 months from now, Battleborn will be a much better overall game than it was at release and this will help it grow, albeit slowly.


I provided the link directly to Battleborn’s steamDB chart in one of my posts.

Not wrong, just incomplete when comparing the two games.

Blizzard uses “active, registered users,” Steam uses players playing the game.

But your point is a good one.

Finding a way to give people more incentive to play (whatever that ends up meaning), would go a long way towards fixing the problem.

I would suspect that PS4 either has more copies sold or significantly more retained base, because from what I’ve read around here (and my own experiences), we have never run into the crazy matchmaking problems that PC crowds have.

“Our”? Who is this “our” of which you speak?

It sure as hell doesn’t include me.

If someone wants everything in this game to be exactly like another game, they should go play that game. If I wanted to play that game, that’s what I would do instead of trying to change this one.

Oddly enough, while I love THIS game, I have zero interest in THAT game.

Go figure.


Did I say copy everything or just some small things that in my opinion may help avoid the game from getting worse on the player base… Why does everybody always blow it out of proportions…

They should really make the Skate video games more like Tony hawk video games because reasons.


I literally want none of the things you listed. What gave you the right to speak for me or anyone else? Hint: no one.

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There’s only one point I agree with, which is that defense points should set your team back to the lats checkpoint and lose lives, not fail you. The rest is rubbish.

[quote=“decayedsin, post:103, topic:1539933, full:true”]Are we in North Korea now?

If the only defense you can muster for what you say is “Free speech” (or something to that vein), you’re basically admitting that the content is completely worthless and indefensible. If your argument actually had weight, you’d be able to argue the point rather than hiding behind “free speech”.

Furthermore, as you have done repeatedly over the course of this thread (yes, I read it all), just because someone disagrees with you does not make them “blind”, nor do your opinions (or the fact that you found one other person on the internet that agrees with you) constitute fact.

Belligerence and, either purposefully or accidentally, misinterpreting the beliefs and arguments of anyone who find fault with your assumptions is entirely counterproductive. If your goal is to actually have an impact upon other people’s viewpoints (as opposed to just causing a shitstorm for attention), you’d be better served by reading responses and making your own cogent and erudite responses in return.


What? Speaking for you? ok… you lost me there…

Well, lets put it this way, I just wrote this and it is a shame that it cannot be a private suggestion instead of getting a whole bunch of people bothering you and trying to make me agree with them, saying I am wrong here and there… I have already seen enough on this first time on the forum and seriously… I will not even comment on the flaws of this forum or the moderator is going to bother me again and I am getting tired… I just give up… I have Already given my suggestions and will just continue to wait to see where this game ends up… but right now… not looking very promising… And Have a good day to you all… and I am seriously when saying have a nice day becasue no hard feelings, I give up on worrying about the future of this game which had a good idea in the begining…