[Guide] Borderlands 3 Damage Formulas

I’ve done a lot of work with the Borderlands 3 damage calculations. There are a few posts on this forum where I express in various levels of detail how everything works. The Intro to Borderlands Math section I wrote on gun damage was my first crack at generalizing damage formulas. The guide however had a far wider scope so I generalized formulas more than I plan to do so here.

Furthermore at the time I first penned the guide I was not yet aware of the amazing resource compiled over on Discord. This has given me a far clearer picture of how the damage formula works. I don’t really plan to cover new ground here as much as create a resource for general damage formula’s on this forum.

I’m open to this post becoming a compendium of general math, but for now we’ll stick to hashing out the damage calculations.


Table of Content


Gun Damage

I’ll list the combined formula first then we can start breaking down what each multiplier is.

Gun Damage = Normal Hit x Splash x v1 x v2 x Critical Damage x Guardian Rank x Elemental Multiplier x Misc Modifiers x Amp Damage

Two things before I get started:

  • Unless I state otherwise in the specific breakdown you can assume all bonuses of the same type are added together.
  • All bonuses should be represented as decimals when applied to these formulas. Eg 10% = 0.1

Normal Hit

Normal Hit I’ve often simplified to:

Normal Hit = Gun Card Damage x ( 1 + Gun Damage Boosts )

Where card damage is what is shown on the item card and Gun Damage boosts are the bonuses the game lists explicitly as ‘Gun Damage’ or ‘Weapon Damage.’ Every character has multiple skills of this type.

I did however call the above a simplification, I did this as Normal Hit can be expanded to include rarer modifiers. This includes bonuses such as Dahl’s semi auto bonus, bonus damage for charging a weapon and even Overkill. I want to say a big thank you to @DocStrangelove who clarified the relationship between these mechanics to me.

Normal Hit = ([Card Damage x Dahl Fire Mode] + Overkill ) x ( 1 + Weapon Charge Bonus ) x ( 1+ Gun Damage Boosts)

This extended version is useful to be aware of, however in practice it’s unlikely you’ll need to know the intricacies of the interaction. Just know any time I mention Normal Hit all these bonus are applicable.

See here for a detailed Overkill Breakdown.

Splash

Splash damage is a fairly straightforward modifier, just add all bonuses to splash and aoe together.

Splash = 1 + splash boosts + aoe boosts

v1

This is the first of the modifiers I generally throw into a special multipliers tag and never talk about. The guys who worked on the Discord doc I linked at the top however have provided better testing of this. They deserve all credit for the information I’m sharing on v1 and v2. The two most common multipliers most will encounter here is C-C-Combo and the damage bonus from a Victory Rush.

Amara, Moze and Zane all lack any skills that apply here, Fl4k has 6 skills that apply here. See the doc for details.

Bonuses that fit here include most of the debuff gear in the game like Execute and the Eruption’s effect.

v2

This is the second common multiplier that I haven’t explicitly talked about before. The most common bonus that fits here is the Weapon Type boosts provided by artifacts and coms. The Icebreaker’s damage bonus fits here, as does the 25% on grenade throw anoint. The 300% damage vs enemies above 90% Health anoint also fits in here.

Character skill wise once again neither Moze or Zane has any skills that fit here. Amara has Personal Space and Fl4k has Hunter’s Eye and Hidden Machine. The Deadeye bonus and the Rakk damage anoint are also a part of this modifier.

Critical Damage

There are many components to how the critical damage formula works. There already exists a comprehensive breakdown on it, I’m thus going to skip over explaining it. If you want information check the amazing info @DocStrangelove has provided in the linked guide.

For completeness however I will list the crit formula:

Critical Damage = 2 × (1 + SniperBonus) × (1 + WeaponCritBonus) × (1 + ManufacturerBonus) × (1 + Skills + ClassMod + GuardRank + Anointment)

Guardian Rank

Guardian Rank is composed of 2 modifiers. The gun damage provided by Guardian rank stats and a second multiplier for C-C-Combo.

Guardian Rank = (1 + Guardian Rank Gun Damage)

Elemental Multiplier

The Elemental Multiplier is also composed of two parts. The first is the type multiplier, such as 1.75 for fire vs flesh. The second multiplier is for elemental damage boosts such as Amara’s Tempest or a Flesh Melter.

Elemental Multiplier = Element Type x ( 1 + Elemental Damage Boosts )

Please don’t confuse this multiplier with adding bonus elements. Skills that add a bonus element are entirely different and should not be confused.

Other examples of Elemental Damage Boosts are Moze’s Stoke the Embers, Elemental Projectors and stat rolls on items like + incendiary damage.

Misc Modifiers

There are a bunch of weird modifiers in this game that don’t fit into the categories already described. They each appear to be entirely their own thing. As such they will all multiply each other. Examples of these Misc Modifiers are Moze’s Target Softening, Amara’s Laid Bare and the slide/airborne damage anoints. Each of these modifiers are seemingly their own thing. There may be other modifiers that I’m unaware of that could fit in here. If we’re being pedantic a damage reduction modifier should be present for when you shoot an enemy with damage resistance/reduction. This is the wild card modifier that avoids us having 10 variables in the overarching equation.

Misc Modifiers = ( 1 + Target Softening ) x ( 1 + damage while sliding/airborne ) …

Amp Damage

Amp Damage is well labelled throughout the game. There’s a variety of sources for it like the Dead Chamber pistol, Zane’s barrier or even dedicated amp shields. Each source is it’s own multiplier and thus everything can be multiplied.

Amp Damage = ( 1 + Zane’s barrier ) x ( 1 + amp shield ) …


Bonus Elemental Damage

Bonus elements can be added to our weapons in a variety of ways. The most common are the bonus 50% bonus element anoints on shields and grenades. However there are bonus elements provided by certain skills and there are also gun anoints that give a bonus element.

Bonus Element Damage = Bonus Element % x Normal Hit x v1 x v2 x Critical Damage x Guardian Rank x Elemental Multiplier x Misc Modifiers x Amp Damage

There are only 2 important things to note:

  • Bonus elements are not Splash and therefore do not benefit from the splash multiplier.
  • If the source of the bonus element is your shield or grenade then it will not get the Weapon Type multiplier either. Bonus elements from skills and guns do appear to get the Weapon Type multiplier.

Otherwise bonus elements appear to follow all the same rules as a normal bullet.


The Damage Pipeline

The order of multiplication of the different multipliers should make no difference to the final damage. Those with mathematical knowledge will recognize that this is due to multiplication being commutative.

So why does it matter what order the game multiplies numbers?

There are 2 reasons

  1. I believe some of the weirder calculations make more sense with this knowledge. I also want to use this as a primer for Torgue Stickies which we will get to next. Torgue stickies are a case where this makes a big difference.
  2. The damage calculations are extremely exploitable if you know how. Crit Swapping is the most common abuse of the pipeline. There are however others, for instance the last shot of Fadeaway actually receives some but not all ASE bonuses.

With that said lets start on the pipeline. I’m going to block the calculations into phases, within each phase I’m uncertain of the order.

1. On Shot

This phase has to do with your active bonuses when you pull the trigger. The bonus calculated here are

  • Normal Hit
  • While Sliding/Airborne Anoints
  • Amp Damage

Note amp damage here does not include Zane’s Barrier as that’s later on.

2. While Travelling

This phase has to do with while the bullet is on it’s way to the target. The only thing I am currently aware of being calculated here is Zane’s barrier. I’m pointing out its applied here, however I’m just going to lump it in with all the on Shot modifiers. This is for simplicity and due to the games calculations not appearing to be able to differentiate them.

3. On Impact

On impact is all the calculations that happen once the bullet impacts an enemy. This is where most of the calculations take place. I’m not going to list everything here as it’s just everything I didn’t mention earlier.


Torgue Stickies

Hold onto your hats people, things are about to get convoluted and confusing. If you haven’t already I recommend you familiarize yourself with the damage pipeline above, as it plays an important part in whats to come.

Lets start with the general formula for both the impact and the sticky explosion. This has been known for awhile and was discussed in this thread.

Impact Damage = 0.07 x Normal Hit x Splash x v1 x v2 x Critical Damage x Guardian Rank x Elemental Multiplier x Misc Modifiers x Amp Damage

Sticky Damage = 0.7 x [ 1 + ( Sticky Bonus x ( Stuck Projectiles - 1 ) ) ] x Gun Card Damage x Gun Damage Boosts x Splash x v1 x v2 x Critical Damage x Guardian Rank x Elemental Multiplier x Misc Modifiers x Amp Damage

I have not tested Overkills interaction here, so its interaction is unknown for the Stickies.

This pretty well known territory. So lets get into how bonus are calculated when your damage changes between shooting and reloading, this is extremely common for Someone like Zane with Violent Momentum. The sticky damage isn’t entirely calculated on reload. The calculation is actually a mix of the damage on reload and your damage when taking the shot. For on shot Modifiers like Gun damage a weighted average of the 2 is used, for On Impact modifiers only the damage from when you reloaded is relevant.

Fade aways crit bonus would need to be tested, however I would expect it to be affected by the weighting. Amp and Gun Damage are the most important modifiers here.
The weighting is 60% to your bonus on shot and 40% to your bonus on reload. For calculating this you can use:

Weighted Gun Damage Boosts = 1 + ( Gun Damage Boosts on Shot x 0.6 ) + ( Gun Damage Boosts on Reload x 0.4 )

I’ve used gun damage as an example, however the same can be done for any of the bonuses that apply like this.

Amp however is a special case as it doesn’t apply on reload. So you only get 60% of the listed amp bonus. On a 1 shotter for instance this means you deal 60% more damage rather than the listed 100% bonus.


Thank you to @HurdyGurdy for proof reading my work.

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Nice, thanks! This’ll take a bit to sink in.

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I’ve added a section at the end that lists when each modifier is applied in the formula.


Removed the Badass anoint from Misc Modifiers after further testing showed it to be a bonus kinetic element. It’s weird, that’s Borderlands math for ya!

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The damage document you link to points out that “Manufacturer Gun Damage is Additive with Gun Damage”. Does this mean Weapon Damage passive bonuses on mods/relics are always going to be superior to Manufacturer Damage bonuses? Especially since the manufacturer specific bonuses are (always?) smaller than the general weapon damage boosts. (Or am I confusing what the doc’s talking about)

I’m assuming that Manufacturer Crit Bonuses from passives are also additive with Regular Crit Bonuses?

(I apologize if I missed this being covered in your post. You mention manufacturer crit bonuses in the formula, but I don’t know if that only refers to inherent bonuses like hyperion and jakobs, or also additional bonuses from passives you equip)

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You’re absolutely right. Manufacturer damage in its current state is just straight inferior to Weapon Damage.

They are, but atleast Manufacturer crit bonuses are much bigger and justify being manufacturer limited.

That’s dumb.

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I just woke up, but it looks to me like Prismatic edited out a typo here. The manufacturer crit was okay, manufacturer damage isn’t that great because it’s such a small bonus.

As far as crit bonuses go, I think it’s fine that it is additive because most bonuses that you can actively choose are additive. You can’t really say, oh I like this Dahl SMG but I’d rather have it as a Jakobs Sniper Rifle for the awesome multiplicative crit bonuses.

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Yeah I figured it was a typo.

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How much v1 does combo provide?

Depends on how fast you’re firing. A full auto gun with a fire rate of 9 will give you 18% from Combo. Whereas a slow sniper that you are 1 tapping things with is going to give you 2%. Its going to be double whatever your current fire rate is.

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I’ve added Torgue stickies. Fade and Overkill were not tested, I doubt I’ll get round to it as neither should make a difference in the practical use of stickies.

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