#28

With your permission, I’ll copy that :slightly_smiling_face:

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#29

Well, OP is certainly a thing. Mostly though, top-gear is going to be top gear regardless. The tricky part is balancing top gear which is really hard to get with alternatives that are maybe not quite as good but a lot easier to obtain.

@ChemicalConundrum: We’ve had the conversation before during revisions of other top gear threads, and the consensus has always been that such suggestions are better in a separate levelling thread for a variety of reasons. Generally, you’re looking at ~3 top gear and 1 or 2 honourable mentions, but putting more items than that in is counter-productive.

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#30

I believe end game should be criteria for Top Gear. Leveling up gear should be HMs. End game doesn’t mean OP10 though. End game means OP0 for many - or even most.

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#31

I agree with VH and Jefe regarding listing gear for leveling purposes, they should be in their own thread and not a Top Gear thread; TG threads should be just that: end-game gear and nothing else; if a piece of gear isn’t viable in at least OP 0 (level 80 now), then it shouldn’t be listed. If it loses viability the higher you go in OP levels, then it’s an honorable mention.

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#32

It’s been literal years(good lord where has the time gone), but I’m pretty sure at the time of remaking the Axton one we decided the gear had to function perfectly fine at OP8(max lvl at the time)

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#33

May I ask all Zer0 gurus to review this topic to add/change/remove some T0p Gear items?
And maybe you have any ideas of better marking (e.g. “OP10” mark from my previous post) or some extra info about each item that should be added? Humbly waiting for your opinion.

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#34

Oh sure, go ahead. My pleasure. :slight_smile:

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#35

I actually think the list looks pretty good. Most everything listed is exactly what I have on my various Zer0s.

I personally would remove the Trespasser(because of the Amigo) and add the Diaub as at least an HM. The Diaub is probably the best Jakobs sniper for stacking CA (if you where inclined to stack CA with a Jakobs sniper).

100% Agree. I actually tend to play Zer0 mostly in low to mid OP levels as I just find the gameplay more enjoyable and far more forgiving.

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#36

Ah, that’s the one I was thinking about then. Should’ve double checked but I thought I might have to dig up the melee thread pretty far back to find it again.

As for the gear included on the list, I’d think it should have endgame items, preferably with more than niche uses (Trespasser is used in only 2 fights in the entire game for all of 1-2 shots to cheese past boss shield mechanics). Whether that means OP10 or anything between OP0-OP10 doesn’t make a whole world of difference, at least in my opinion. If it was to list all UVHM viable gear we’d have a really weird “top gear” list :smiley:

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#37

The good thing is that we’ve already discarded or demoted gear that’s unworthy at any level - OP10 included (I think - haven’t had time to review the OP today).

That said, I’m not sure about purple Jakobs and OP10.

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#38

Since Kelr0nd is open to feedback and there’s a good discussion about gear, I’ve updated the community guide to point to this thread versus the old one.

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#39

Wasn’t even looking at the OP, good job on the updates

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#40

I got you

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#41

I took a purple Diaub and Coach Gun out to Sawtooth and Southern Shelf and they work. As long as enemies are slagged, they get the job done. It is however a bit of a chore. I’m certain that a player better than myself could make them work easily. I haven’t found a good Muck at op10 yet but I have no doubts it would work fine as well.

I did swap the aforementioned weapons out for a Longbow and a Gentle Blockhead and had a much easier time of it. The Blockhead I only recently obtained while farming the Longbow. It’s friggen awesome. It was really effective in getting second winds.

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#42

Should it be added to Critmachines section as low-level sniper just for stacking CA? Or is it a powerful rifle to fully use it?

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#43

It’s pretty powerful, not a crit stack machine.

I don’t think anyone would object to removing Rough Rider from the list completely. When it comes to good shields for Zero it’s quite on the opposite end of the spectrum.

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#44

If anyone has a gameplay video to be added - you are welcome :slightly_smiling_face:

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#45

The Diaub? I see that it’s been added :+1:
I’d agree with the description.

I did notice the Longbow has Auditing(damage prefix) listed as the best prefix. I actually don’t think that prefix is available on it due to it lacking a scope(that’s where the accessory attaches). My understanding is that Venture(+Crit) is the typically desired prefix.

I’ve been spending too much time farming and playing with the Longbow in the last couple days. It’s pretty fun to use.

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#46

Looks great, I would look to add in that video of Sun’s about playing melee Zer0 on OP 10 (not quite sure where it would go, however) or at least make a note under the Chain Lightning and BOTA sections for melee Zer0 about recommending an OP1 BOTA and OP7 CL for OP10 melee Zer0

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#47

I suggest to leave both prefixes

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