For the creamer does this help?
Seems like TG to me at least and its much more than a gun to swap with its great on its own.
Fair enough, I guess I should probably stop talking about launchers, I have almost no expeince with themā¦
I would like to hear a responce about the pyrophobia though, given that the Novas get grendade damage, I really think it deserves a spot on here, unless someone has a very compeling counterpoint.
I donāt use them much either but the creamer can do really amazing things, more so from seeing it used than using it myself.
For me its a bit like the hail, takes some skill to use but once you get it down all of its abilities stacked up makes it pretty elite, no other launcher really can do everything the creamer can. Kinda stands alone among them and its very effective as well.
Fixed and yes ogre and hail will be here.
I am thinking of editing this to fit Axton
Copied form the new to gear for krieg
Interfacer / Conference Call / Butcher / Heart Breaker
The Butcher is a pearlescent shotgun manufactured by Hyperion. It has a very low pellet count, a high fire rate, and gains accuracy much more quickly than other Hyperion shotguns. It has the unique ability to randomly replenish its ammo, allowing for longer sustained fire, especially when paired with Blood Filled Guns and Elemental Empathy. The Conference call tends to bleed ammo fast and isnāt as good for mobbing as the Butcher, it is however much better against raid bosses. The Interfacer is the raid killer, the only problem is that it consumes 2 ammo a shot so you will run out fast and doesnāt mob well at all. The Heart Breaker is a Moxxi fire shotgun that heals you for 2% of all damage you do. With Fuel the Fire and Burn, Baby, Burn, it can tear through unshielded fleshy enemies who arenāt resistant to fire.
Elements: (Heartbreaker is only)
Best parts: Hyperion Grip, Practicable prefix.
Obtaining: Butcher from LLM, Tubbies and OMGWTH, CC from the Warrior or Handsome Sorcerer, Interfacer from Voracidious (or Dexiduous and Omnd-Omnd-Ohk), and Heart Breaker is a mission reward from āSafe and Soundā, when turned in to Moxxi instead of Marcus.
It does seem to be working on my end, (The corrosive/slag symbols) Maybe itās your browser
Only the Hyperion section is broken for me.
Actually thereās a couple that you may have broke in editing. (Hyperion Shotguns for one)
make sure you copy the exact format from what Iāve done in the Omen sections (Iām sure the issue is missing the brackets or something similar)
Fixed it. Thanks for the help guys.
I think I understand whatās going on here. This is your personal list.
Have fun with it.
The heartbreaker has no splash, it doesnāt synergize particularly well with Axton. Itās HM at best IMO.
Itās TG for Sal because it works great with Hoarder builds, Sal needs Moxxi guns and the Hyperion gimmick is very handy for him since he canāt ADSā¦ But for Axton, itās good, not great.
If you want a fire shotgun, the Blockhead is a much better choice.
Careful with that line of thought. There are many guns that I love that arenāt in my TGs. There are also guns that I dislike that are in, because they are good.
Staying objective and open is crucial. 
Twister is my favorite shotgun and its HM on my maya top gear
Being objective is very important.
No, you donāt and no, it isnāt. If it was, Piemtaco wouldnāt be taking our suggestions to heart and updating the list. As with the other TG threads, thereās a lot of subjectivity present because, as Chuck mentioned, there are guns we like and ones we donāt. Itās up to all of us as a community to discuss these things and come to a common decision as to whether or not a particular piece of gear should be listed or not and your attitude is not conducive to such an undertaking. I rarely say this, but if you have nothing useful to contribute, please leave.
I believe @Piemanlee took that section from the Krieg TG list, Chuck. Itās great for Krieg because itās fire and has Moxxi healing, but I agree it isnāt as good on Axton. Itās an HM at best because there are better shotties for him, like the Flakker. Speaking of which, how does the CC perform on him? The last toon I used it with was Maya. Also, does the Flakker get grenade buffs? I know it canāt process Bloodbath, but Iām not sure what it does get buffs from, if anything. As for the Twister, Iād say itās TG since I think it gets grenade buffs, but again, Iām not sure.
The Flakker does not get boosted by grenade damage.
I think before the 10/29 patch it got boosted by grenade damage and then afterwards @Derch tested it, and it is now back to having Reaper splash like before the loot hunt. So it is no longer boosted by grenade damage. If Iām wrong he can correct me.
Although he has some pretty cool synergy with it that I might show off later iirc.
That doesnāt surprise me. Itās still a great shotty in his hands though.
Hmm. If thatās true Iāll have to update the Krieg TG list then. Iāll test it to see if it processes BB. If it does, then it still gets grenade buffs because BB only processes on a grenade or explosive kill.
I just did some testing and it does process Bloodbath, so I say it still gets grenade buffs unless the game considers the balls explosive for some reason. Bloodsplosion showed me an electrical explosion, so I doubt itās that.
Explosive balls. Heh, classic.
ā¦Which you took from Salās
And I updated. 
No just reaper, before the patch the bullets didnāt even get reaper. The splash should be grenade, not reaper.
I thought pre 10/29 it had 100% grenade splash and now it has 40% reaper splash that isnāt boosted by grenade damage. No reaper splash gets grenade damage to my knowledge.
BB procs on grenades and explosions not explosive damage. I.E the Norfleet procs BB but is neither explosive nor does it get boosted by grenade damage. So something like the explosive DPUHās main bullet(s) will never proc BB if you get what Iām saying. So BB is not a good way to discern whether or not something gets grenade damage.
