[Guide] Top Gear for Nisha

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

A You ask for diversity

B You say TG is any weapon that is good on a character and works with all builds, but you go back and say “well its not as good as a Pitchfork so it doesn’t make the cut” when unlike the SG section the sniper section isn’t exactly filled w/ stiff competition.

I asked for diversity in the hopes of discovering something new and exciting. That doesn’t mean that I will put everything suggested in the OP.

The Droog was a great suggestion, and well worth spending some time testing it out.
But if it can’t deal with mobs without running out of ammo, nor kill the raids without running out of ammo, then the situations where it shines are really limited. The Pitchfork can’t mob at all, even less than the Droog…but it can kill ANY boss in the game with its ammo supply, raid or not.

Based on that, I would rather include the development than the Droog (as you proved the development can kill any boss with ease)

C You say stuff like the Stiker has a place in the TG because it can precision kill mobbs better than the Flayer, but then the Flayer can literally do everything else better. But when the Droog can kill mini-bosses and mobbs way better than the Pitchfork, but then the Pitchfork can kill 1 raid and the Droog gets the boot.

The Striker is there for its mobbing abilities. It can reliably mob with spending less ammo and fits better to a methodical playing style than the Flayer. That’s why it’s there.

The Droog can kill mini bosses better than the pitchfork that’s true, but it can’t mob or kill raids.

A mobbing gun is a mobbing gun, and if it can do mini bosses, that’s even better. But a bossing gun should be able to kill bosses…all of them.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

This game really only has one Raid, maybe two. So if a gun is only good for 2 fights should it be on the list?

So the Pitchfork gets the spot for being better than the Droog in 1 fight?

Sure the Droog is good for bosses but its not good for mobbing and has bad synergy with Nisha and she has so many other options to kill bosses with. So while it can be good on bosses I wouldn’t call it Top Gear.

Back to the Athena TG you all repeatedly said not to compare outside of weapon classes. So the fact she has other options is besides the point, the Droog is her best boss sniper for all but 1 fight.

A question about the the last line. What is the Pitchfork to you then?

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nor kill the raids without running out of ammo, then the situations where it shines are really limited. The Pitchfork can’t mob at all, even less than the Droog…but it can kill ANY boss in the game with its ammo supply, raid or not.

I just feel that being able to do 1 fight better does really warrant that the Pitckfork stays and the Droog goes.

The Striker is there for its mobbing abilities. It can reliably mob with spending less ammo and fits better to a methodical playing style than the Flayer. That’s why it’s there.

I don’t find that ammo is truly an issue w/ the flayer b/c how the game works. And at least to me the “methodical” play style on Nisha is niche, while not Bomber niche its still niche non the less.

A mobbing gun is a mobbing gun, and if it can do mini bosses, that’s even better. But a bossing gun should be able to kill bosses…all of them.

The Pitchfork can’t kill the Sentinel I bet. The Droog can’t kill 2 fights, but all the rest the Droog preforms better.

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(And yes I basically said the same thing over and over)

[Derch (Where's lucky?)]

So the Pitchfork gets the spot for being better than the Droog in 1 fight?

No the Pitchfork is good on all boss fights, the Droog is not.

Back to the Athena TG you all repeatedly said not to compare outside of weapon classes. So the fact she has other options is besides the point, the Droog is her best boss sniper for all but 1 fight.

A question about the the last line. What is the Pitchfork to you then?

Thats what I meant by nuance, sometimes you do sometimes you don’t. It’s not black and white. The meat grinder is the best boss smg sure but it not great on mobbing and there are better options for bosses. So you have to compare it to the class of guns its in, smgs, but also if its a niche use do you need it as a niche.

A question about the the last line. What is the Pitchfork to you then?

One of her best boss guns.

[Hoyle4 (President of Jellybeans)]

Its the fact that it can do any boss consistently that’s important.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

The Pitchfork can’t do the Sentinel, and all of the other bosses die in one Droog mag so it is 100% consistent just like the Pitchfork.

So Eclipse and EOS is the only place the Pitchfork is more consistent. But with the rest the Droog preforms better.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

No the Pitchfork is good on all boss fights, the Droog is not.

But the thing is its not.

but also if its a niche use do you need it as a niche.

This is how I use to use niche, but @Chuck80 said other wise. And the MG is her best boss SMG, but I agree and have agreed it doesn’t deserve the spot for that if you all feel if doesn’t preform well in mobbing. I haven’t pushed for that gun since the showcase, I only bring it up to mess w/ people w/ no intention of it being added.

One of her best boss guns.

The I don’t see why you don’t consider the Droog one also. Did you watch the comparison on Deadlift? And I’m more on less sure I could do the same with any repeatable boss (I’m not starting a new play through for this). The only fight the Pitchfork wins is the Eclipse/EOS one.

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

And at least to me the “methodical” play style on Nisha is niche

Based on what ?

How can you affirm how many people are playing one style and how many are playing another ?

The only evidence we have is people making youtube videos… and they are disproportionately likely to have a frantic visually-interesting playstyle. What people do in their living room is hard to gauge.

This TG is meant for everyone, not just elite players.

(And yes I basically said the same thing over and over)

Quoting that part because it sums up the rest well

Yes, I get what you mean. But think about it: If I put it in the TG saying “yes, this is a great gun to take down bosses…except the 2 hardest ones” …what does it amount to then ?

It’s not like there are 50 bosses in the game… there are about 15, and this gun, which we would put in there specifically for bosses, …can’t deal with the 2 hardest ones…

[Hoyle4 (President of Jellybeans)]

I mean I do consider it a good bossing weapon on Athena, cuz Athena can make it not consume ammo

[Derch (Where's lucky?)]

Who cares about gun being good on deadlift? Nisha should be able to wreck him with just about everything.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

can’t deal with the 2 hardest ones…

But one of my points is that the Pitchfork can’t deal with one of those either.

Who cares about gun being good on deadlift? Nisha should be able to wreck him with just about everything.

The point was the power difference which can be applied to all but the 1 “raid”.

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

But one of my points is that the Pitchfork can’t deal with one of those either.

Which one ???

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

Based on what ?

How can you affirm how many people are playing one style and how many are playing another ?

The only evidence we have is people making youtube videos… and they are disproportionately likely to have a frantic visually-interesting playstyle. What people do in their living room is hard to gauge.

This TG is meant for everyone, not just elite players.

The same can be said for the Bomder too.

Which one ???

The Invincible Sentinel more than likely.

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

The Pitchfork can totally take the Sentinel

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

You’re telling me it will take down all 7 phases including the one that resist shock damage without any ammo problems what so ever?

[Hoyle4 (President of Jellybeans)]

droog won’t either in that case.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

I already said that. That is why I said the Pitchfork is better for literally 1 fight. I’ve said all this stuff already.

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

You’re telling me it will take down all 7 phases including the one that resist shock damage without any ammo problems what so ever?

No
If you try to take on the shock resistant phase with a shock pitchfork, you’re purposefully trying to prove that it can’t.

The Sentinel is a weird case as whatever element you use will have a phase that resist it. Coupled with a shield and a Health bar, most people will switch gun during that fight.

The Sentinel also has a constant stream of ammo drops coupled with long wait times between phases where there is nothing to do beside pick them up.

Come to think of it… the only Boss where ammo is a real issue is Eos/Eclipse

[Hoyle4 (President of Jellybeans)]

It’s the only fight that matters though, it’s like the only fight where you would care enough to bring a bossing weapon. NIsha’s mobbing gear can easily clean up fear and self loathing or deadlift or bosun or whatever. PItch can also take those out too, it really doesn’t matter if the droog can do it slightly faster with a pre-rolled green in that case.

[khimerakiller (Pandora's Industrial Engineer)]

No
If you try to take on the shock resistant phase with a shock pitchfork, you’re purposefully trying to prove that it can’t.

The Sentinel is a weird case as whatever element you use will have a phase that resist it. Coupled with a shield and a Health bar, most people will switch gun during that fight.

I mean that a shock, fire, and non-elemental Pitchfork won’t be able to take down the Sentinel w/out ammo issues.

The Sentinel also has a constant stream of ammo drops coupled with long wait times between phases where there is nothing to do beside pick them up.

No matter how many ammo drops you pick up, you are going to run out mid phase.

Come to think of it… the only Boss where ammo is a real issue is Eos/Eclipse

He has like 3 dozen ammo boxes and half of them regen. Along with 4 different phases to get ammo. Your argument doesn’t make sense.

It’s the only fight that matters though, it’s like the only fight where you would care enough to bring a bossing weapon.

So the Pitchfork makes it for 1 fight?

[DeputyChuck (Sheriff)]

Ok, what would satisfy you here ?