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#21

@Slif_One with all due respect, and i do mean that sincerely, do you even play the game competitively? and before you pounce on the fact that there isnt a ranked playlist, and the game isnt esports, just humor me for a second. destiny has a playerbase that makes this game look like a corner store compared to a walmart, and it does not have ranked and does not have esports. there are money tournaments all the time, and tons of streamers making 6 figure salaries on the game and really all it is is community organized private match tournaments. that is it. battleborn has more of that earlier than destiny did at this point in its release. in fact it has way more.

do you even play private 5v5 matches? have you participated in any of the ps4 tournaments? there have been at least 2 that i am aware of. if you dont play private matches and dont play tournaments, then what context do you have to discuss anything you havent even experienced? what youre doing right now is the equivalent of me going into a destiny competitive stream or something during their tournament telling them how their tournaments should be set up or run. i have no business being in there making those statements. i play that game casually like you play this game.

this statement is irrelevant. not one single person @hockeyswede31 @asiahmillertime or myself are naive enough to say that gear will cause a bad player to beat a good player. please dont put words in anyone’s mouth. believe it or not, there are such things as equally, or nearly equally skilled encounters. you had better bet that the better gear is going to win in those encounters every time. should better gear ever decide a fight in a competitive setting? what is your gaming background competitively if you think so?

at the end of the day, the people that are clinging to their legendary gear need to take a look in the mirror and ask themselves a few hard, but very honest questions. why do i really want to use it? why do i feel i need to use it? what will happen if i dont? why have i used it up to this point? there isnt a competitive answer that can come from those simple questions, just casual ones.

do you know what happens when you take away crutches from someone who needs them? ill let everyone decide the answer to that for themselves

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#22

So because I don’t play in private matches and pretend that privately arranged “tournaments” are real “competitive” matches, my opinion is irrelevant?

This is why the competitive scene is near non-existent in this game.

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#23

Removing possibilities off the game is a nonsense. Why not play without gear and without buildable then ? Items in LoL would be ridiculous if there were no passive on them.

If legendaries can change the game where is the problem ? And what about 0 cost shards generator?

The only problems with legendaries is those from the packs, because they are a lot too hard to loot. Those from bosses are not even a problem.
Some epics are also hard to get… still searching for an Epic Jennerit Battery but impossible to get.

btw, I agree that Toby’s Legendary should be ban because this item is totally broken. But all others are perfectly balanced now.

@wintersjordan0 You should say in the rules if the Benedict’s reload glitch is forbidden or not.

#24

this is condescending to the groups that are putting in tons of work and promoting on their streams to try to and make the scene grow. you are undermining the hard fought victories of teams like plumbers inc. there were tournaments that gbx gave out real in-game rewards for winning or placing high. im not saying your opinion in general is irrelevant, but you lack any real context to have your opinion mean as much as the groups of people that are trying every day to promote a rapidly growing competitive scene. look, maybe it isnt happening on ps4, i honestly dont know. but i can tell you with the utmost assurance that it is starting to form up on xb1. the only thing that is missing is for gbx to come out of hiding and either set down some rules, or support the ones that are actually putting the tournaments together and support the rules that they have adopted from years of competitive experience that gbx does not have.

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#25

I am no where near the competitive level of battleborn but some interesting points are brought up about the gear. I kind of look at some of these thoughts based off of Magic the Gathering.

Banning legendaries is a fine aspect imo. Stuff like boots of the Brute makes total sense to ban as most can agree that they bend what the game feels like it should be doing. A direct comparison to very old school magic cards that were def not balanced. But those cards in and of themselves still took time to build resources into. Stuff like shard generators and wrenches feel so much more like the “Mox” of this game. Start a game with a shard generator and a wrench and you instantly have a notable advantage than say not having them.

Gear is gonna have to be a part of competitive play. But honestly if you think it’s fair to ban legends and not at least generators and wrenches then I am lost. Again not a competitive battle borner, not a competitive moba or fps player so my feelings could just be completely wrong. But from what I do know of a competitive structure of games, boots and such feel just as broken as shard generators

#26

@JoesOs Loooooooooook

#27

No, your belief that my opinions don’t matter in this duscussion is condescending.

I play this game as much, if not more, than you and any other “competitive” player. One thing I do not lack is “any real context”

#28

@Slif_One
This is a thread about competitive tourneys, something you said you don’t participate in. So why are you commenting? How does it have any impact on you? That is why it is hard to take anything you say seriously. How can you say you have context talking about this when you have never tried one of the tournaments or tried any private scrimmages that implement any rules that a tourney would?

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#29

Compelling argument. And this is the only counter argument I ever get from the “competitive” crowd. This is why it’s hard to take anything that any of you say seriously, I apologise for asking questions amd having opinions, I’ll let you go back to conforming to some outdated third-party “competitive” criteria that has nothing to do with this game and stop thinking outside the box.

#30

You’re allowed to voice your opinion. But you come in all cocky talking about the competitive scene as if you are the leader of it, when you’ve never participated in any part of it. That’s why you hear the same thing from all of those who actually are trying to get the competitive scene to grow. We’ve been in tourneys and know what people liked and didn’t like about them.

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#31

Ok guys. Talk more about the game and take less jabs at eachother.
We know how that will end up if we continue.

#32

Some legendaries are still extremely powerful. We are not talking about taking legendaries out of the game, we just don’t want to play with them in our private matches. Many people in the “competitive scene” think they do not have a place. I don’t understand why this is such a big deal to people who do not participate or want to participate in the competitive side of this game…

@Slif_One and I always talk about this topic and he has agreed that he can see this happening in a competitive playlist. Legendaries have their place in “pubs”. We are not trying to change that. We just don’t want to play with them.

HGL has gotten a lot of flack on this forum and reedit about legendaries being allowed when they weren’t before. As he said before the (competitive) community has spoken. We don’t want legendaries.

In a perfect world there would be a competitive set of gear and everyone would have access to all the gear and stats would be normalized. We don’t have the power to do this. The best we can do is ban legendaries completely until some changes are made.

You really have to understand how frustrating this situation is for all of us who are trying to jump start this competitive scene. We stream every day doing private matches, put on tourneys, etc trying to give life to this very fun, potentially competitive, game with almost zero support from GBX, only to have casual players (who will admit they don’t plan or want to play in a competitive setting) tell us that they know better…

I understand everyone has an opinion, but at some point you have to consider that maybe the people who have been trying to do something with the competitive scene from the start of this game and talk to the same kind of competitive people daily may know what they are talking about and know what the competitive players want.

I can not speak for PS4 and PC wholeheartedly. I can only speak for the Xb1 competitive players that are on my friends list, in my stream, and those who I talk to daily…We do not want legendaries in our competitive matches…and the most liked competitive game type is Incursion.

@Slif_One it has nothing to do with what other games are doing or have done…when considering how we want to do our private matches or tourneys, etc. it’s not like we decide to mimic certain games…Battlebornforum has a draft…we use it…the people playing in the privates don’t want legendaries…so we don’t use them…

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#33

It’s the passives on legendaries that can add things to kits that push characters over the edge. Lore legendaries like Toby’s and Benedcits…slow legendaries like the Boots of the Brute and others are really game changing…

Many people do run a shard gen and wrench in competitive play…there has not been one mention of ever banning these items in competitive play from the players I talk to, play with, etc. If the majority didn’t want them they probably would be banned.

Wrench and shard gen will help you get helix’s faster. They won’t add something to your kit that wasn’t available from the start of the game that other players don’t have access to. This is probably why they aren’t that complained about…on XB1 at least.

#34

@asiahmillertime
#YoloForPrez

#35

We Made It Boyz!

#36

By asking questions that don’t get answered and making suggestions, considering an alternative to the current “competitive” MOBA criteria that was laid down before Battleborn? Uh-huh. If you want to play a new game an old way that’s your choice, but I still don’t understand WHY it must be that way, I ask why and the response is always the same: “It’s not competitive”

Exactly what does that mean? WHY is legendary “not competitive” and WHY can’t it be? Why neglect to use a core mechanic of this game for the purpose of being “competitive”, this game revolves around the use of gear for advanced in-game customisation so why disclude it?

#37

In an optimal competitive setting skill should shine through more than anything. Having things like legendaries and lore legendaries aren’t competitive bc of RNG drop rates and certain characters gaining an advantage that another character doesn’t have or cant have. This goes for gear in general without standardized stats and a tourney set of gear, but it is amplified when it comes to legendaries bc they are so much more powerful.

Best we can do is ban legendaries so it’s not as blatant…until GBX hopefully makes a competitive gear set.

The people joining tourneys and playing privates don’t want it…if the majority wanted it’d be allowed most likely, but the majority don’t bc of the stated reasons above.

We play many different people in private matches. It’s not like it’s just us on the forums that don’t want it so we don’t allow it…it’s the majority of people that are actually competing in tourneys, putting on tourneys, playing in private matches, etc that don’t want it…so shouldn’t they make the call?

Edit: it literally has nothing to do with the existing MOBA criteria. We are simply doing all in our power to tilt the scales in favor of skill, rather than gear or RNG, etc. I have never played a MOBA in my life so I wouldn’t even know what criteria to go off lol.

#38

I don’t understand your comparison to other MOBAs when you say competitive players want the rule sets of other MOBAs. MOBAs, to my knowledge, generally do not ban gear. However, they generally do not have effects such as slows or invulnerability. There are even more pieces than those that are imbalanced for competitive play.

For a while I thought they would be okay for competitive play, with a few exceptions that shouldn’t be allowed. But the reality is, too many of the pieces are imbalanced.

Even with four bans, there are still too many imbalanced pieces remaining. The worst four pieces are the two invulnerability pieces, the Alamo 7 and Burning Sunset, and the two slowing pieces, Mini-Singularity Launcher and Boots of the Brute. Even to have these four pieces banned would require a gentlemens’ agreement to actually ban these over others. If any of these go unbanned, the whole match is a ■■■■ show.

And if they are banned, there are still other imbalanced pieces that would be allowed, still making it a ■■■■ show, even if only one piece is allowed per player. Toby’s Legendary, giving him a double stun, Borrowed Timer with Kelvin, allowing him to always have Sublimate to escape, and the list goes on and on.

The point is that this decision to have banned gear is unique to our community, so the point that you keep trying to make that we’re trying to adopt it from others is baseless.

If invulnerability and CC pieces didn’t exist, and the other were balanced properly, Legendaries could be allowed. But something tells me that’s not what the rest of the community wants, especially the PvE crowd.

People complained when the invulnerability pieces were nerfed, and those pieces should have no place in multiplayer whatsoever, whether it is competitive or casual play.

So maybe it’s for the best that Legendaries are banned for competitive PvP, rather than having them be changed or nerfed so that they’d be balanced for a competitive environment.

#39

Should start an other thread for this

Lol is the most popular, most played MOBA and played competitively… and there are many items that offer this kind of effects.
Zhonya = 2 second invulnerability ~= Alamo-7
Rylai = Slow on each attacks even skills ~= Boots of the Brute and Mini Singularity
Deathman plate = increasing movement speed ~= Gogo Juice
Graal Athene = adds a heal on shields ~= Reyna Legendary
etc…

Guardian Angel = Resurection with 30%life (each 120+sec)
And now there is an item that allow you to dash every 30sec

We just need a mode (private match) where all items are unlocked and max stats
And nerf (Toby)/buff (Deande, Melkka etc…) some character legendary

#40

Are they actually allowed in competitive play?