How do stats stack?

[SirWalrusCrow (Tiger of Partali)]

I’ve already tested some with Miko with Bots, and it’s confusing to say the least. The main problem I have are the base in-game values shown are contradictory.

At level 5, it says in the description that Miko heals for 134 hp/s which should make the healing per ping 67 as it procs every 0.5 seconds.

However, at level five without any gear, skills or helixes buffing the skill, you heal for 68 per ping instead of the 67 which leaves the interval of possible numbers to be 67.5>=X>=68.49…
(I couldn’t make the equal-to-or-higher/lower symbols, so I had to resort doing that though it looks awkward.)

I tried different gear combinations combinations; Solar Sustainer and regular Attack Damage (both max rolls) as well as Symbiotic Gauntlet and regular Heal power (both also max rolls).

This is what showed in-game when healing a target at level 5:

Solar Sustainer - 81 first ping, 86 for the remaining pings
Solar Sustainer + Biosynthesis - 107/ping
Solar Sustainer + Attack damage level 5 - 89/ping
Solar Sustainer + Attack damage + Biosynthesis level 5 - 117/ping

Symbiotic Gauntlet - 79/ping
Symbiotic Gauntlet + Biosynthesis - 98/ping
Symbiotic Gauntlet + Heal power - 90/ping
Symbiotic Gauntlet + Heal power + Biosynthesis - 112/ping

I did some preliminary calculations (or tried to as I was quite tired) on a few of them to try and get some indication of what system it is. And this is where the contradictory base healing values already start to be annoying as I don’t know which base value I should use to reproduce the numbers found in-game. I mixed between 67, 67.5 and 68 to get some approximate answers if anything else. I ended up with these;

Solar Sustainer - First ping

So it can be additive if the base value is 68.
However it can also be multiplicative if the base value is 67

Then for the remaining pings using only Solar Sustainer, I tried these;

Base value of 67, purely additive - Doesn’t work

Base value of 67, purely multiplicative - Doesn’t work

Base value of 68, purely multiplicative - Works

Base value of 68, purely additive - Doesn’t work

Base value of 68, adding same stats (Atk) and multiplying across stats (Atk-HP) - Works

Base value of 68, multiplying same stats (Atk) and adding across stats (Atk-HP) - Doesn’t work

Then trying Symbiotic Gauntlet;

Base value of 67.5, purely additive - Doesn’t work

Base value of 67.5, purely additive - Doesn’t work

Base value of 67, purely multiplicative - Works

I know there are loads of combinations I’m missing here, but I got no way of organising the equations presented and I never went in to this with a system in place so I could easily make the equations as I thought I was only going to do some preliminary testing and not too extensive.

Here are just two more;

Base value of 67.5, purely multiplicative (Solar Sustainer + Biosynthesis) - Works

Base value of 67.5, purely multiplicative (Solar Sustainer + Biosynthesis + Attack Damage) - Works

[rebelpenguins]

Look at all of that math …

[loving-hatred (Gone off comms, will update this when i feel like)]

The way I learned it from using the battleborn bible way back when is leveling bonus is additive and gear is multiplicitave at the time of activation but that wasn’t mixing stats like miko or alani’s so I’m not too sure.
@SirWalrusCrow
Do you mind grabbing a few other numbers for this?

Namely base heals at levels 1-10 without gear. The reason is if miko’ beam is affected by 2 stats and leveling provides a blanket buff across all stats(which I THINK is the case it may provide some weird values that would make for more headaches down the road)

[FlamesForAll (It's a SIEGE profile picture!)]

@loving-hatred

Battleborn bible?

[loving-hatred (Gone off comms, will update this when i feel like)]

It was an excel spreadsheet someone put together it had base damage values for every character and helped explain how leveling affected character power, I’ll post a link when I can find one

[lemonheadjake (ClkwrkCuttlfish)]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18T8VNgX6iNLhPq30lj7dXppVjzoNcc6fTD6KTwXGDWo/htmlview#
It’s a bit out of date unfortunately. Pre WU

[loving-hatred (Gone off comms, will update this when i feel like)]

Thank you for posting that and saving me a few minutes!

[lemonheadjake (ClkwrkCuttlfish)]

It’s a shame. I only found out about it maybe a month before they stopped updating it.

[blainebrossart1 (Jennerit Supremacist)]

Something worth noting with these numbers, the number displayed in game is always rounded up to the nearest whole number. If the healing beam tick is 67.1 it will show 68 instead. If you need some help getting numbers, let me know. I’ve done a lot of in game testing with Nemo and Eden.

[SirWalrusCrow (Tiger of Partali)]

@loving-hatred

Do you mind grabbing a few other numbers for this?

Namely base heals at levels 1-10 without gear.

I got them in my guide to Miko (if it’s Miko you’re thinking of);

@SirWalrusCrow

Healing per second (H/s) increases by 5 and 4 every other level, starting with 5
Level 1 healing 116/s
Level 2 healing 121/s
Level 3 healing 125/s
Level 4 healing 130/s
Level 5 healing 134/s
Level 6 healing 139/s
Level 7 healing 143/s
Level 8 healing 148/s
Level 9 healing 152/s
Level 10 healing 157/s

[SirWalrusCrow (Tiger of Partali)]

Something worth noting with these numbers, the number displayed in game is always rounded up to the nearest whole number. If the healing beam tick is 67.1 it will show 68 instead.

Ah, good to know! Thought it rounded accordingly as I wrote in the original post.

If you need some help getting numbers, let me know.

Thanks, I’ll try and test a few more things through which I would qrguably like to have 2-3 to test with. Arguably a loy easier than doing it with bots!

This was my feed after testing with bots

[blainebrossart1 (Jennerit Supremacist)]

Always happy to help a fellow Miko main.

[loving-hatred (Gone off comms, will update this when i feel like)]

Okay,

The battleborn bible was “mostly” correct

It’s roughly a 4% boost per level but the UI can make it more difficult to gauge

[lemonheadjake (ClkwrkCuttlfish)]

I’m running ops with KU and I’m trying to max my dps with rockets. I’m using symbiotic gauntlet, blue LLC attack speed and hidden charger. Is there anything I’m missing that might amp it up a bit more?

[blainebrossart1 (Jennerit Supremacist)]

Bolas Target finder instead of attack speed.

[hockeyswede31]

Id want reload speed over attack speed if I was trying to max out his damage

[lemonheadjake (ClkwrkCuttlfish)]

I want it all lol. I guess it kinda depends on how often I’m using vortex rockets. I usually favor reload the more I use vortex and when firing single rockets I just want to unload faster.

[lemonheadjake (ClkwrkCuttlfish)]

So I ran phoebe ops with the loadout I described and topped out at 235 per rocket at level 9 with a respectable rate of fire. I’m going to take your advice and run bolas with a symbiotic gauntlet and this time I’m going to use a blue reload instead of the hidden charger. Who needs shields anyway when I can have more reload speed lol.

[hockeyswede31]

Vortex rockets, every time.

[lemonheadjake (ClkwrkCuttlfish)]

So I think I broke the game lol. I need to test some more to confirm but I think if you go over 100% damage buff that it rolls back around. Btf would be good for a bolas build (go figure) with firmware for skill spamming but I didn’t like it as much for my PvE rocket spamming build. Rockets don’t proc btf and with drones bolas nuke most things anyway even without bleed and or bounce.