#48

See I’ve heard this before but I never know what anyone means precisely by “just between the pillars below.” I tried just standing in the center, as well as I could, and I got wrecked so fast my head spun.

Worms spitting at me from everywhere, Hardy’s corrosive phlegm ball draining me to death…

I would love to actually see this so I could give it a try.

And for kahuna - the glitch queen method was the first I tried. I could not maintain invulnerability up there because his slag arrows always drained my bee just when I needed to begin the kill phase. I hate that spot.

The method you mentioned though - picking away at his health and then going for the kill once he’s at roughly 66-70% - is what I do. That’s my process, for better or worse.

Yes - I am using a fire bone of the ancients. Thankfully I wasn’t dumb enough to forget that at least.

I might just have to bite the bullet and do the damn clan wars to get a Slagga. My sticky longbow is a singularity and its fuse time is pure booty juice - 3 damn seconds.

Sometimes slagging is the worst mechanic, I swear. It has been and remains my main gripe with this fight. It works very well in the Hyperius and Gee fights just with ruin (the phaselock slag - I think it’s ruin; always confuse it with scorn). But ruin does nothing to Haderax. Brushes it off like so much dandruff.

#49

Ill post a picture of where i hide later on; theres always one other choice - ive seen a number of sirens just get eaten for the return/kill :joy:

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  • right at the crosshairs, when hades jumps to the next position; hug the wall closest to where it was to avoid the spikes. Can see 2 of its spots here, the third is just a few steps south looking to the north
#50

Yeah, no, I just meant the chipping away at his health with body shots before touching the back of the head crit. If you’ve found a similar hiding spot to the dahl one that’s probably ok. That said, I don’t know if you know (sorry if you do) that it’s not just going up there to the dahl chest, it’s a very specific little spot up there, and it’s not behind the chest. It’s to the side of the chest, quite close to the edge, with the chest closed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK4e8Soa8Z4&t=425s (02:38)

I would also definitely try doing the kill from below, on top of the plateau at the end like the link I posted before (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNPXXDCVKcA) . The crits of the back of the head are decevingly accessible even if it doesn’t look like it and the run up to the mouth is much shorter. Hopefully you can skip the lady fist swap in OP0 and the cat and sandhawk are going to be fine for the mouth.

However if you max out your dps with your gear and build it’s all about slagging him in the first one or two seconds after he popped out of a hole so you stun him almost instantly after. Anything else is just going to be scrappy and messy and very unreliable, all the more in solo play.

PS: Did you watch how Lazy Data does it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4bC9NVbzZw
He did it with the Siren (although he didn’t use the sandhawk so maybe with the sandhawk he would have used the cat, dunno), and he slaggs it with longbow slag transfusions. If you can skip the lady fist it looks like a very safe method and the longbow slag transfusions are much easier to find than all the other stuff.

PS2: You could incorporate some of these tactics too. It’s a Zer0 with the sandhawk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG_StE9stOs&t=1s
I’m not entirely sure you can forego slag as he does, as zer0 has a lot of critical hit boosts and the death mark 80 % bonus, but still you could throw in the slag transfusions there. There seems to be agreement that they’re the ones when you want slag certainty, as they choose them for the time trials over crossfires and bonnies.

#51

Did you manage to kill gee and hyperius.?

Have you ttied the recompense method on maya vs haderax?

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#52

Well, I was trying to do the flame of the fire hawk method on Gee and it was… disastrous.

I kept noticing that my shield was not emitting novas - at most one - and then I’d go down almost instantly. It occurred to me that maybe all the badass points I put into lowering my shield recharge delay was making the shield begin recharging too fast. That’s all I could think of. Sound plausible?

I then tried to do him “legit” legit, just runnin and Gunnin and trying to get him to the absorb the acid. I just can’t do it. Yet again I lost all my money, got frustrated, and cheesed him four or five times to vent my frustration.

I would say the main problem is still that I cannot consistently get him to absorb the acid. If there’s a pattern to his movements and attacks that allows me to render it more predictable, I can’t detect it.

The YouTube videos all say to throw quasars and make it look oh so easy but it is oh so not. He rubber bands all over the place and I end up having to spend eight quasars just to get him to suck up one pool.

It’s beyond vexing.

I haven’t given up hope yet that some crucial piece of information I’m missing will render the fight comprehensible to me, but until then I’m seriously just spinning my wheels. Doing the same thing over and over and over and over, dying the same way again and again and again and again. It gets tiresome because I never make any progress.

I can kill Hyperius about 50% of the time totally legit - no cheesing (well, outside of grogging, if that’s considered cheese) - so I figure I cannot be that incompetent. I’m ok at this game - not great but certainly not irredeemably terrible. There’s just something… totally bizarre, I guess, about the Gee fight that drives me up the wall.

So I’ll come back to Gee when I recover from the latest ass kicking I got from him. In the meantime I’m prepping for a new round of battles with Haderax by trying to farm a better Legendary Cat mod. Mine isn’t bad - +128% damage - but I’ve heard they go up to 141% or thereabouts. Is the correct? And if so, can they get that high at level 80?

The coms confuse me because their stats seem so relatively independent of level. My good Cat com is level 79. I’ve got three level 80’s since: two had + damage below 100%, and one had a mere 118%.

Weird.

The other thing I’m doing is farming Hellquist for an inflammable Bee, which many people say helps a lot with the Dragons (I farm tubby skags and Hellquist in the same farming sequence - two birds with one stone).

Incidentally, I have two pressing questions for you outside of the raid bosses, if you don’t mind.

First: my inventory is basically completely full, and I’ve farmed and refined my gear enough to where I really don’t want to sell anything. I desperately need a mule, but every method I’ve heard of making one is old - pre-Lilith DLC, which allows us to begin with a level 30 character. I figured that had to somehow make creating a mule easier, but I have no idea exactly how. As a reminder, I’m on PS4 - any suggestions?

Second, whilst farming Bees I got a Grounded one, which is a nice find - but as all Bee droppers are wont to do, Hellquist dripped it at level 78, so its stats are garbage. Is it worth hanging onto - will I get any real use out of it in raiding? - or should I just sell it?

If I had a mule, see, I’d stash it, but for now that’s not an option.

And lastly - if there’s anything you want to impart further about Gee in particular, seriously, I’m listening. I’ve been watching a lot of your videos recently and… you’re very, very good. So good I’d say most of what you do is above my pay grade. (I found that out real quick when I tried to Firehawk Gee - not as easy as it looks!).

I’m still going to summon you when I inevitably get massacred by the Dragons - I’m both dreading and anticipating it (the Dragons, I mean).

#53

About the Cat: there’s 90 levels of Cats (and all other gear), since OP level Cats are esentially Cats from level 81 to 90 that you can only equip in the OP levels. So that +141 % Cat is probably either the one at OP8 or the one at OP10. Yours at +128 is already great I think. Interestingly enough, some people have tried the toothpick for this fight, and also the Siren COM. You’ll find it here in the middle of the toothpick damage testing with the mouthwash: Toothpick Research
(Did you see the fight I showed you where LazyData was using the Siren? It made me think that maybe what I told you about using the Cat is not essential, although definitely worth testing).

I don’t think you need a grounded Bee at all ever, if I can recall correctly. The important ones are inflamable and alkaline. I’d only hang onto this one if it was my only Bee shield, and while the level is OK, by not having the level 80 one you’d be missing out some precious damage on the piece that’s the most responsible for your damage output in this certain kills.

As for the Gee fight, is your Quasar longbow and 0,0 fuse? I’ve never got one, but managed to get by with a normal singularity grenade with those stats. Regarding that, be on the lookout for stockpile grenade relics. They help immensly for grenade oriented kills like Gee or like the Hyperius bore cheese. The blue ones give you 3 extra and the purple ones, 5. Also if you’re trying to get Gee the normal singularity way with Krieg, you can get a Blister COM for the extra grenade allowance during the first phase.

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#54

Regarding the fight with Master Gee. Something that’s really helpful is to note that the acid pool created by a dead worm grows in size over time, but that if you or Gee are near to the source it will instead shrink and if it would disappear, it does, and the party responsible for it’s shrinking gets a DoT that will last the rest of the fight. The obvious goal is to get Gee to pick them up, but what isn’t so obvious is that you can intentionally tank the pool a little to keep it small until Gee manages to walk over it (it will take some practice to get a feel for how close you need to be, as well as soon you need to get away to avoid picking up the DoT, which generally will ruin the attempt if you end up picking it up). What worked best for me, was to only feed him a few worms (as many as I felt I could do so and ensure he picked up the acid pools for) and then just kite around the arena until he dies (bunny hopping OP here for dodging the spit from an every growing number of worms). You can speed the process up a bit by shooting Gee when you can safely do so.

I actually livestreamed my NVHM solo of Master Gee with Maya back in 2016. It was recorded by Youtube, the fight starts around 13:15 (attempt 1 I failed by picking up 1 of the DoTs, but I survived much longer than I expected; attempt 2 begins around 20:45), here is the vid (quality leaves something to be desired, but it is what it is): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrC8AJOPKCo

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#55

Well done. I watched the video and I think I have a grip on how you’re “tanking” the pools. Basically you run in a circle somewhat within the perimeter of the pool, yes?

I’ll file this away to try out next time. My concern is that the worms come up so fast and hit so hard at level 80 that I’ll die before I can get Gee to absorb the pool, and if I fail, I’ll have to back off, fight four worms, and deal with an acid pool the size of the Gulf of Mexico.

But I’m still going to try it - every technique possible, I’m open to it. Looks promising as something, at the very least, to add my toolkit of viable techniques.

#56

Yeah that video was what made me think it was ok to not use a Cat in the first place. I’m sure it is - I killed Haderax without a Cat - but why make things harder than they already are? A Cat just makes more sense to me, especially since I will not miss the loss in cooldown reduction one bit (it’s different in the Hyperius fight - I need the cooldown reduction of the Siren far more than the bonus smg damage of the Cat in that fight).

The biggest void in my arsenal is the absence of a longbow Quasar. I only have a lobbed one, but it does have a 0.0 fuse time. I’ve suspected that part of my problem is it being harder to use with precision lobbed grenades than longbow ones. But I have no good ideas on how to get a longbow Quasar. I see people say you have to get them (as designated drops, anyway) from Ultimate Badass Varkids, which sounds like it could take forever.

Every Quasar I’ve gotten (and I’ve seen my fair share) has been either from Marcus’s Train, Uranus, or someone else I can’t remember. I swear I’ve had like 8 of them.

Hence my need for a mule, dammit. I had to sell them all except for my lobbed one.

Now, what I worry about with a normal singularity grenade is the area of effect or whatever it’s called in the stats. The quasar is at like 700; every singularity grenade I have is under or around 500. Will that make a significant difference?

#57

I don’t think it will make a big difference. I use a normal singularity for Hyperius for the bore thingy and it reaches quite far out for the minions, and it was probably the same I used against Gee. I’m just on the lookout for 0.0 and longbow delivery and I’ve never found myself wanting more radius than what it came with, even if they’re green quality for instance. What shields are you using for Gee? I use Hoplites or even Turtles for Hyperius and even for the Dragons when I’m yet to beat them for the first time when the Seraph shop for the Antagonist is closed, and they’ve served me so well. For Gee I’ve probably used the Big Boom Blaster but I admit it was not in level 80. I’ve usually been safe against Hyperius or Dragons after farming Pete, so I imagine the same goes for Gee.

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#58

You’re mentioning, actually, most of the few items in the game I’ve yet to see and know very little about. I only know about the Hoplite because I’ve seen people go on and on about the Hoplite glitch (which apparently has been patched), but I’ve never seen one drop. Same for a Big Boom Blaster. Is it because these items come from Pete? (I’ve put off farming him because from what I’ve seen he’s comparatively easy, and I want to take on the hardest stuff first. Plus I haven’t actually finished the Torgue DLC yet. I’ve heard bad things about Badassasaurus Rex which make it easier for me to be patient lol.)

So in respect of grenades, I have two that are pertinent to the raid bosses in question, and they both suck owing to their fuse time. I managed to get lucky and get a sticky longbow slag transfusion mod from a vendor, as you suggested - it’s green, however, and has a 1.6 second fuse time. I’m not sure if that’s good enough for Haderax.

My other one is the sticky longbow slag singularity. Nice grenade mod, good for cheesing Gee with the gate, but otherwise useless due to the 3.0 second fuse time.

I’ve been harping on certain ridiculous farms in this game, but specific grenade mods are lowkey some of the most problematic, since so many of them just depend on blind random luck.

Pretty sure every good purple or legendary grenade mod I’ve obtained outside of fastballs, bonus packages, and stormfronts just randomly dropped from some boss or chest when I wasn’t even looking for them (and even most of my fastballs, bonus packages, and stormfronts have come from there - I got a longbow stormfront with 0.0 fuse time from Uranus… oh, how I wish that was a quasar.)

Anyway, all of that being acknowledged, how would you recommend I go about looking for a good singularity grenade? Just hit up Marcus’s train and hope I get lucky? Or is there another source I’m missing?

EDIT: Oh, one more thing - is there a meaningful difference in the way the singularity effect works in a plain old singularity grenade and a quasar?

The biggest problem I’m having with quasars in the Gee fight is that I can’t control where they pull Gee and so where he lands. In practice, he just flies wherever the mood takes him, “rubber banding” in a way similar to what enemies do sometimes in response to Maya’s converge skill. I can’t get Gee in place to suck up the acid, as mentioned, without using like 6 quasars. It’s infuriating. Do singularities do better, working more by sucking enemies towards a center point, rather than tossing them around willy-nilly?

#59

Hoplite and Big Boom Blasters drop from Pete, yes. My personal m.o. has always been to farm him first so I can tank Hyperius and the Dragons with the Hoplite, but you could get by with a Pangolin Turtle shield though, as Maya is very good with shield things like Ward and Inertia.

The sticky longbow transfusion with a 1.6 is not ideal in itself but against Haderax you could throw it before he spawns to make up for the long fuse time or even to prepare for him beforehand. This would be quite nice on top of the plateau in the end of that map, before he first spawns. However, if you’re chasing him from hole to hole after his first appearance, the 1.6 fuse is going to take away slag time unless you’re completely on top of his movements, and you’re going to hate it.

The 3 second singularity is surely worse than your lobbed 0.0 Quasar.

I’m a bit surprised that you describe the Gee pull as something kind of random. To me, it pulled him towards the grenade (perhaps it’s the lobbed thing? I suck so hard with those), and while I haven’t reached converge my new Maya, I expected it to behave similarly. I have to admit that with zer0 you can always pull him further with your decoy (can’t remember if the melee execute also shoves him).

I don’t know if the Quasar pull is different (never got one), but I’d doubt it. It’s always been described as a mixture of singularity and Tesla.

And for normal grenade mods I’d say yes, Marcus train and just check the vendors everywhere. The good thing with the singularity is that for gee the element doesn’t matter so hopefully it doesn’t take you very long. But the lobbed Quasar should work otherwise.

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#60

With respect to my issues with Gee and the quasars, I can show you what I mean. I made a video about my travails. You can see how the quasars just throw him any which way, like banging a pinata back and forth:

#61

Nicely done. I liked the Geebraltar pun.
I don’t remember that fight all that well, but maybe, only maybe, the Quasar sets some kind of minimum distance between it and the target. Or maybe it’s the reaction to shock, or maybe the abnormally large radius and pull (says the wiki) makes for this strange behavior? I surely don’t remember that dance around with my humble grenades but I literally fought him in 2016 or 17 :S. Have you tried using the 3.0 fuse in the real fight? Just to see if he behaves the same way and isolate whether it’s Gee or the Quasar.

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#62

I’m glad you took it in the spirit it was offered (I was frustrated because I was trying to get footage of me beating him legit, so instead I made a sarcastic, smart-alecky polemic).

I know we’re getting far afield here, but these sorts of things are what I think are lacking in most of the YouTube commentary on this game. You’d never know from the walkthroughs that in no sense can you just “chuck a quasar” and drag Gee back to the acid. It really isn’t that simple.

One video said to run and jump over the acid while Gee follows you. Works occasionally, but all too often Gee does the “Nope” and just refuses to follow you.

Anyway, I wish people would get a little more in-depth, rather than trying to make everything sound easy and simple. Maybe I’m just a lone voice in the wilderness on this.

Anyway, I know you’re just trying to talk about Haderax, and I’m going to get to it as soon as I get tired of hunting down my Alkaline Bee (or if I get one). The strategy you presented from the rock down below looks very appealing and I’m gonna go for it.

What really appeals to me about it is that I don’t have to jump down to see his crit and waste those valuable seconds. Provided I find a way to slag him reliably (a better slag grenade), I’ll be ready to go soon.

(By the way, I find it very odd that as I’m replying to you now the Gearbox forum has a message on my right telling me I’m excluding other people from the discussion by replying to you “three times.” It says I should get other people involved. These comments are public - anyone can chime in anytime they want. Isn’t that obvious? Just weird. The message feels kind of Nurse Ratched-y.)

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#63

A longbow singularity will help (i will use it compared to the lobbed quasar you have) so that you can aim the grenade at the pool. Usually i jump so that i can see the pool area and toss the grenade. It also depends on gee’s distance, if he is too close to the pool i toss the singularity just near the outer layer of the pool so that gee will land in the middle of it so on and so forth.

You will get the hang of it.

Also use fire weapons. You will just tickle the worms and gee with corrosuve variant.

Also, practixe aiming down sight with a sandhawk, go to a sage distance then ads the burst fire, the pellets will be tight and you can kill the worms in one to 2 burst.

Also nat_zero_six, i can go back to 2 and raid with you, no mic i will just follow your lead, slag and heal you on the raid.

Also will give you 80 gears that will help you.

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#64

Now that is an intriguing proposition.

Let me first say thanks for even watching the video (I’m sure you understand much of it was tongue-in-cheek; I knew I’d be cheesing the fight so I had to find some way to make the video entertaining, and since most of the small crew of friends and others subbed to my channel neither play nor care about Borderlands, I wanted to make it engaging).

To the points, though: I actually am aware that I should be using fire weapons in the Gee fight; the reason I wasn’t was because I didn’t want to kill the worms too fast.

Why would I not want to do that?

Well, I’m trying to learn about the fight, and to do that I need to slow it down. I’m attempting to observe Gee and see if I can notice any patterns, etc.

Only after I released the video did I realize it might come off as terribly noobish and ignorant (which I am; but I’d prefer not to come off that way!).

The issue I have with ADSing the Sandhawk in some of these raid fights is that I lose field of vision and get hit. If you happened to view my Hyperius video, you’ll no doubt wonder why I used a corrosive Pimp instead of a Sandie in that fight - and that’s the reason. I didn’t have to ADS with the Pimp, but could keep my field of vision and do serious damage hip firing.

I don’t know what it is about that, but it’s been consistent. Whenever I ADS with the Sandie against Hyperius or Gee I get wrecked. It’s as though it takes just a split second too long to get all the burst fire out. I do ADS, believe me - but only when I feel comfortable enough that I won’t get my cap peeled.

Finally, to return to your offer - I’m tempted to accept but I’m apprehensive.

Why so? I’ve never played co-op before and would be really bad. I fear a player of your caliber and experience might get frustrated having to deal with my greenhorn-ish ineptness. I might break protocol on some co-op convention I’m unaware of.

And for the record, I don’t mean I’ve never done online co-op only in BL2. I’ve never done it in any game, ever. BL 1 & 2 are the first FPS games I’ve ever played; the world and experience and expectations of the player base are all quite new to me.

So how about this - first, let me know if, knowing all of that, raiding with me still appeals to you (I’ll understand if it doesn’t - no hard feelings).

Second, if it does still appeal to you, or even just to your generosity, let me get to the point where I’ve set up the raids for all of the raid bosses. I have a feeling the ones I will most want help with are the Dragons and Voracidous, but I haven’t finished Hammerlock’s DLC yet and I’m waiting to get better at Gee and Hyperius before taking on the Dragons.

Meantime, I’m still trying to farm up an Alkaline Bee - pretty elusive so far - plus the much-desired 0.0 longbow Quasar and an effective sticky longbow slag transfusion to help me reliably slag our man Haddy, who started me on this thread.

If you have anything like that, that would just be bonus. The Blockade, as we know, is the summit of my desires - seeing that all-Bandit Blockade Derch plays with makes me green with envy. I’d kill (Dragons) for that damn shield.

Oh and before I forget - probably even more important than gear to me is setting up that mule I was talking about. I literally have only one inventory slot left. Bank is full. Clappy’s stash is full. Everything is full. If I get my Alkaline Bee, the next item I want to keep will force me to sell something I don’t want to sell. Any advice on mule-making?

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#65

I am up for it. I will just give you a little push. When are you going online?

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#66

Well, these days, for reasons no one needs rehearsed, I’m pretty open. I usually start whatever mission in BL2 I’ve set myself for the day after noon, eat dinner with the family, and then play from 8 or 9 until I want to shoot myself from tedium (if I’m farming). That means… until 2 or 3 AM, I guess.

In a way - and only in a way - the coronavirus has been a blessing for me because it’s afforded me the time I needed and never would have had otherwise to really get into Borderlands.

Probably sounds awful to say that, but it’s true.

So, anyway - I’m on right now, will be on tomorrow at this time or earlier in the day (1 PM-ish to 5 PM-ish). Late night is usually best for me - though I know it’s not best for most people. It gives me the concentrated hours I need to actually accomplish something in the game, as farming takes so damn long.

#67

Add me nat_zero_six, i might be rusty but lets raid.

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