Thanks alot for the link and more detailed numbers! As XBox consolero its a bit hard to see how the playerbase fades away on PCā¦
All IĀ“d wanted to say is: Pointing out the lack of players is first a welcome feedback. But after 4 weeks of constant āBB is dyingā topics this former (productive)feedback grows into a statement that scares off new players.
They visit the forums and read all these topics, IĀ“d guess their first thought is āShall I buy a game that is dead already?ā And then they will not buy it.
So this concern & its feedback scares off new customers far more than it does any good or productive.
In the end: I know theres an issue in playernumbers and I bet my left brains hemisphere that GBX does know it as well.
Lets just wait and see if thereĀ“ll be an advertising campaign that can pull in more people. But in the end GBX cannot force people to play.
I agree with everything you just said. I try to be as positive as I can, but feel I have to point some things out.
This morning I must admit to feeling very negative, but (and as you can read above) this afternoonās Battleborn has been absolutely fantastic. Best games Iāve had for some time.
Battleborn is a truly fantastic game and it IS going to last a long, long time. Iāve always had a great deal of faith in the lads and lassies at Gearbox, but how can I not have even more after such a fun day of Battleborn.
Been up 20 hours now though, so I think a breakās in order.
Iāve been playing a handful of matches every night after work. Mostly incursion and meltdown, all solo queue.
Never had a queue over 5 minutes.
PC, West Coast, USA
Kaleidodemon
(Creator of the Battleborn Discord)
#25
With all the doom and gloom coming from the PC players youād think they are trying to drive off the remaining playerbase and drive the game into an early grave.
How can you say that the data I sent you is formerly productive when you didnāt know the numbers yourself? If youāre a consumer, you deserve to know all available information on a product youāre buying.
I bet everyone has his/her ānegative daysā or moments, thats normal^^ And feedback is always wanted, as long its no personal rant or a simple rage text.
IĀ“ve just the feeling many people concentrate on their negative experiences a bit to muchā¦ this ruins the fun for them, which is simply sad. If I had a real bad mission/match/incident with cursing mates I try to take a deep breath, scream out of my window and start the next round (Also I try to keep my mic outā¦noone wants to hear me cursing myselfā¦)
Playernumbers are important for sure, but they are in a constant flux and hard to contain. Many games start with very low playercouns, some start big and fade away as soon as they sprung upā¦ All we can do is being patient and make the best of the time
Ohhh, I feel you, have a bad tinnutus keeping me awake -.- Good night fella!
With so many āBattleborn is dyingā threads here and on the Steam forums one canāt help but be a bit suspicious as to whether these are false flag operations. Is Battleborn doing badly? Whereās the evidence for that? And the evidence thatās been provided has been quite flawed to say the least, often due to misunderstandings about how numbers work (mostly in systems like Steam charts).
Yeah, it was much more obvious over on the Steam forums when someone was going for a false flag operation, but here theyād have to be more sly about it. Now, either some people are believing this for misguided reasons, or some people just canāt stand seeing others have fun with something they like???
One is unfortunate but forgiveable, the other isā¦ just sad.
Sorry, but thatās just harsh. Itās also about as far from the truth as anyone could get. Youāll find weāre a passionate community when it comes to Battleborn. We do believe in pointing out what needs to be said though.
Sure there are those that weād call the black sheep, but weāre damn sure we want this game to live.
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Kaleidodemon
(Creator of the Battleborn Discord)
#30
Thatās good then. But you might want to find a better way to help the community grow. All the doom and gloom isnāt very encouraging to say the least. At any rate I think things are going to be in a bit of a limbo while we wait on certain fixes and updates. There is absolutely nothing we can do really until those things happen. Once they do happen I am confident the game will find its footing.
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IĀ“m more of an outsider regarding Steam-playernumbers, so I try to get all info I can to make myself a picture of the situation. Yes I try to find them out myself, but as a non-steam-person its rather confusing.
Many people are posting numbers, but most do not post daily playernumbers, but momentarily numbers. So I found it rather usefull to have the daily data you posted to me.
Of course, same opinion. Did I said something against it at any point? o.o
I donĀ“t see that someones tries to hide infos regarding playernumbers or other issues and problems, I mean were discussing it right nowā¦ Sorry, IĀ“m rather confused now.
I feel the reddit is very much hope and joy. Iād hasten to say that reddit is predominantly PC players tooā¦or at least thatās what Iāve seen written.
Iāve also had my moments where Iāve argued with those that I felt to be far too gloom and doom. I remember one particular thread where I got rather downvoted for telling people to be positive. So like I said, the black sheep do exist.
I still think itās harsh to label us so, because, in my impression, the positivity has outweighed the negativity. Just one view of Lftstrafe Battlebornās recent video on the future of Battleborn sums us up, I think.
But I will say I have concerns about some queue times and what new users will make of them. Itās only natural to feel that way.
But overall I hope to see many happy months of Battlebornā¦years maybe. As for finding a way to help the community grow, well Iām not sure what we, as PC gamers really can do other than what we do do. I include answering misinformation on various forums, welcoming new users to our community on reddit and generally posting the positives. Weāll never shy away from constructive criticism though. It always has a place.
Thereās one other thing I can think of. Aināt got a PC, have ya?
There are if you add them up. The problem is the numbers during the time you play. There may be 6000 players online over the course of 24 hours, but it doesnāt do any good if thereās 1500 on at one time.
I started a single player mission today and was grouped with one other person. One personā¦
The consoles are doing quite well. Itās PCās that, despite awesome looking initial sales, have the low pop causing the headaches.
As for the wait times, I donāt have 10 or 20 minute waits because 5 minutes is my patience and practical time limit. I move to a new mode or co-op and try my luck again.
They need a free week along side the 40% off sale for the PC. I donāt care if other people can snag the game for that deep a discount, as long as I can actually hop right into a game and play!
I also feel bad for GB because itās the publisherās job to get this really fun and addicting game out there and in the hands of the players. Thereās only so much GB can do on that front.
This wasnāt supposed to be a BB is dying thread (although it seems to be turning into one) it was supposed to be me showing a lil love for the ones on PC who are struggling to find games and are being patient (more than I can say I would be) and sticking it out bc they love this game and what it has to offer. This is an awesome game n I want everybody to able to enjoy it as much as I do n I donāt think I would enjoy as much if I was waiting longer than I was playingā¦just recognizing the ones that are sticking it out thatās all
On the website there are three large numbers on the left. The 1st number describes players online (1795 currently). The next number describes the 24 hour peak of players (2135). The last number is the all-time peak of numbers (12101).
See [quote=āGanjamira, post:22, topic:1493909ā]
They visit the forums and read all these topics, IĀ“d guess their first thought is āShall I buy a game that is dead already?ā And then they will not buy it. So this concern & its feedback scares off new customers far more than it does any good or productive.
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You say here that because my concern and its feedback will not contribute to more people buying the game, it isnāt doing anything good or productive.
You are forgetting the most important and the only real #1 issue - control issues. Everything else (graphics, balance, maps, skins) comes after that. You can play if you get occasional stuttering and have working controls. But if you donāt have working controls, you struggle with the game no matter the fps count or champion balance. That is what is killing this game on PC and will kill it if GBX wonāt deal with that. After 150 hours on PC I am starting to struggle playing this game anymore because Iām getting fed up with having to deal with such controls.
As a comparison (this time I managed to record a smooth 60fps videoā¦found the settings in the application) between Battleborn and Counter-Strike. Even Battlefield that has full kinematic bullets is very similar in performance to Counter Strike and Call of Duty. Professional and competitive players are expecting up-to standard PC mouse and keyboard controls such as before mentioned games. You simply cannot trail a target in Battleborn like you can in other FPS games just because of that problem. And because of that, people are jumping around like rabbits - Jumperborn.
I bet many FPS players who wanted to try the game probably left during Open Beta because of this same reason and no avalanche of marketing will change or attract players back unless they fix this and then launch a marketing campaign about the revamped Ć¼ber controls and only then can they expect people to come (new) and come back (old).
Kaleidodemon
(Creator of the Battleborn Discord)
#38
I play on both PC and PS4. I mainly play on PC as I have more friends who play on PC and they tend to be on more frequently. Iād play on PS4 more often if the people I play with there were on more often. I tell them to send me a message on Discord to let me know theyāre on and looking to play but itās been quiet lately on that front. I have a Command Rank of 71 on PC and probably about 15 on PS4.
At any rate I havenāt had any trouble finding matches online. The matchmaking is a little wonky when pairing up pre-mades and I tend to get stomped because the people I play with tend to be more skilled than I am so I am getting matched up against players of greater skill. Versus anyway. I primarily play Story but when the people I usually play with want to do Versus then itās either that or solo and Iām not much for soloing.
I havenāt had any problems with graphics or frame rates. I have a relatively good PC so that might be why. All in all my experience has been good. Not always, but overall. If I was having problems Iād just take a break from things while the developers worked on things and come back after a bit and see how things are shaping up. You canāt always know how things are going to turn out.
Different developers do different things an you canāt always count on them to do the right things. Gearbox though I trust. My time with them has shown me that they are one of the few companies out there who really do care about our experience with their games. Enough that I know that they probably share in our frustrations with many of the problems with the game.
I think a lot of the problems that the game is facing right now have a lot more to do with our current social environment than any of the smaller problems with the game itself. The problems with the game can be fixed. Iām not so sure about society.
Can only thank you again for the link, its bookmarked for future research.
I see, but I did not ment your concerns and its feedback, more the huge uppiling number of topics regarding similar concerns. Its absolutely okay to raise your concerns & to provide feedback - thats a fact I want to state before this derails.
But its also scaring off new customers when they face the huge mass of these concerns. I think both are facts.
Feedback = wanted, no matter if positive or negative.
Masses of negative Topics = could scare off new players who visit the forums first. ācouldā is the word I should have included in my OP.
As said, I was referring to the huge amount of often redundantly brought up concerns. Its great to have 3-5 topics about playernumbers & matchmaking, at best with a good discussion and debate going on in there. But over 50? Yes all 50 OPs are right. But 50 times the same negative feedback will look like a wall of negativity from outside. Thats all I ment.
To @bgfarmer85 IĀ“m so sorry your positiv topic derailed so fastā¦It was nice to read IĀ“m not alone when I hope for PC-gamers to have a better experience!
@Ganjamira I should known how this thread would go lol Iāve been around gaming forums long enough at least thereās a couple of people who are posting actual numbers trying to educate people on the numbers instead of just rambling about how bad the game is doing. I have faith this game will be around for a long time GBX is great at giving good dlcs that get people interested
As XBox consolero its a bit hard to see how the playerbase fades away on PCā¦
(Also I try to keep my mic outā¦noone wants to hear me cursing myselfā¦)
