#6

Thanks @Ronnie_Rayburn for also pointing out what I glaringly missed : damage reduction! Oops. And I never actually connected KR directly to Life Tap. So ya - still learning.
Anyways, even though Immolate isn’t in your build, it probably will eventually : Sustenance will prevent it from triggering so de-spec if you end up taking it.
The great strength of the Leg Binder is Suspension which makes Elated better. I often leave whomever in Phaselock for the full duration to kill everyone else with the benefit of Wreck. Doing that I get fewer chances to get Sweet Release making Elated more important.
Also you would be better served taking a point from Blight Phoenix and sticking it into Life Tap if binding them was the plan. All DoTs feed LT and I don’t find one point in it does quite enough.
@hattieinduni and I had a debate with others about BP. We both use it but I only put one or two points in. Others hate it because they’re forever popping barrels but I don’t seem to at one point.
Lastly, be wary of guns that suffer from Accelerate : Pimps, Lyudas and others with splitting pellets.

#7

Wait, you mean a debate about Blight Phoenix? Life Tap sure isn’t a matter of such debate? :worried:

I don’t always spec Blight (though I do advocate it is an option where others refuse it altogether), but I like it with a Rough Rider and Life Tap strategy in particular. I usually put 4 points into it, the extra one goes to complete Chain Reaction.

5 points in Life Tap with a Rough Rider until late OP levels.

#8

oops - better fix that. I think all agree LT is great - I hope so anyway. I’m too chicken to use a RR so I’m ill-equipped to comment on building around it.

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#9

http://bl2skills.com/siren.html#051541000005052145300505410551

Here is an updated version. I think I like this one better, I would like to have points in quicken, but I suppose it’s not necessary. I am curious about the grenades that you use. Do you guys s go for transfusion grenade, or something with more damage? And what is a good relic? I’ve seen damage resistance relics. How is the damage resistance calculated with the rough rider?

#10

Dude - you’re at the bottom of the Harmony tree… a single point for Scorn while you’re down there is absolutely worth it. Between this and Ruin, you almost don’t need to burn a slot for a slag weapon (plus, as @hattieinduni says, it can cancel out some attacks like incoming rocket barrages from RPG Loaders, Constructors, Bullymongs, etc.)

[quote=“zombiebennett, post:9, topic:1551493”]Do you guys s go for transfusion grenade, or something with more damage?[/quote]If I wasn’t tied to allegiance, I’d carry everything and use them as combat dictated: Quasar for crowd control, Fastball for kills, Contraband Sky Rocket for fun, Meteor Shower for long range carpet bombing, Chain Lightning for mobbing… so many awesome grenades in this game.

[quote=“zombiebennett, post:9, topic:1551493”]And what is a good relic? I’ve seen damage resistance relics. How is the damage resistance calculated with the rough rider?[/quote]It’s hard to beat a Bone of the Ancients for the bonus to damage and cooldown. I’m not sure how damage resistance from relics is calculated in conjunction with the Rough Rider though. If you put five points in Life Tap (especially if this is augmented with a COM) and can keep it active with kills, you’ll be able to tank a surprising amount of damage (like making out with a Rift Thresher for its entire duration). When I rock Scorn and am otherwise not sweating cooldown or damage, I like the Might of the Seraphs for more Scorn, but you really want to pick one that complements your build, loadout, COM, and play style.

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#11

I don’t find I need damage resistance relics. I agree with you, Bone of the Ancients is a great choice. I personally like a stockpile or Blood of the Ancients too. Never tried the double-shot chance Seraph relic with her… that might be fun.

#12

Okay, in your opinion, looking at what I have, what would you take a point from to put into scorn?

#13

Recompense… I’d redistribute all those points unless you’re going for a specific Recompense combat style, but that’s where I’d start.

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#14

I like Recompense with the Rough Rider - it’s one of the rewards for Maya choosing that shield for me. Even if you’re not going for that invincible-grog skit. As we’ve discussed before though it stops being useful past about OP2. I would rather have Recompense than Sustenance. When I use the RR my combat is based around taking health damage though, even though I’m not holding a Grog to heal it back. I guess you could play it much more carefully, but then the Evolution might be a better choice.

#15

Immolate works just fine with Sustenance, as this video will demonstrate. Thanks @Derch ! :acmaffirmative:[quote=“Adabiviak, post:10, topic:1551493”]
Dude - you’re at the bottom of the Harmony tree… a single point for Scorn while you’re down there is absolutely worth it.
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Totally worth it![quote=“zombiebennett, post:9, topic:1551493”]
Do you guys s go for transfusion grenade, or something with more damage?
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With all the healing skills that Maya has, a Transfusion grenade is not necessary. Neither are any of the other Moxxi guns (If you use them for damage, then that’s a different story. They kick a$$!) Quasar or Storm Front are the grenades I usually use. Quasar is great for some extra crowd control.

Most players will choose any other skill over Recompense. Some will actually spec in a completely different characters skill tree just to avoid it, but obviously not everyone. :acmtease: @hattieinduni Will we see the Landscaper in that build too, perhaps?:innocent:

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#16

Huh, I’d never heard that. Evidently another way I’m playing badly! :stuck_out_tongue: (I don’t actually think of most of my Borderlands choices as especially eccentric but apparently that’s my best light). So what’s wrong with it? I remember a long discussion on a thread about damage scaling on this forum with Derch and others (including testing by Ad), my summation is it maintains usefulness up to about OP2, after which it can still manage to counter enemy health regen.

I don’t see it as a particularly valuable combat strategy but it compliments the Rough Rider shield and, as I’ve said, is a lot less wasted in a Harmony spec for that than Sustenance.

On the subject of Transfusion grenades, I would recommend having them in your backpack if you’re planing doing some extended work with that shield. Elated, Sweet Release and Life Tap are the beasts of health regen for Maya but there are times when none of those are going to be available (like some boss fights) and Sustenance won’t give you the health you need either.

#17

I guess I failed at being funny there! Didn’t mean to offend you. Sorry! It’s just one of my many flaws.

#18

Great info :grin: Thanks! Going off some bad intel it seems.

#19

Not at all offended! I was just worried my strategy, which is mostly personal trial and error not hivemind wisdom like many on this forum have, was wrong. In which case I must adjust my future advice!

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#20

I had another thought. If you’re using a Leg Binder, it’ll give you 10/5 in Sweet Release which could be considered overkill and some points could go into Mind’s Eye.

#21

Won’t I need the points in sweet release to go down to the next tier? I could put those points into minds eye, instead though.

#22

Could do - can’t hurt. That’s what I end up doing (4/5 Mind’s Eye). If you’re going to swap out COM’s and don’t feel like re-speccing, leave it at 5/5 though.
Sorry - so much to think about, eh?

#23

Just a bit. But I’m glad there are so many people on here that are willing to help.

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#24

:wink: Glad to hear that! I’m known to step in it from time to time. i get carried away. Cheers!

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#25

Just curious: What about Leg Binder are you after here? Leg Siren, last I checked, has a much better buff to cooldown time and LOTS of other useful perks. If it’s for TEAM cooldown, and your teammates prefer that over heals, then alright. Just wondering.