You don’t need to max out Vampyr to be viable in M4. You can even just use a COM with +Vampyr if you don’t want to spend any points in the blue tree.
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Well even to get to it, its still costs 15 points while every other VH has a healing skill 5 points into a tree.
You don’t have to spend any points in the blue tree if you use a COM with +Vampyr on it. Also, anyone can use a transfusion grenade without spending any points in any skill tree.
Then you are just limiting your COM selection at that point, like I understand what you mean but Moze just needs more passive healing options imo. Like Zane can literally just shoot things and heal, meanwhile if you arent pressing the grenade button constantly or near constantly. Also sure you can use a Transfusion grenade but thats still basically the same thing as Vampyr when you really think about it. I want a way to heal with Moze that wont give me god damn carpal tunnel.
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Ill post screens next time Im on. Its surpsingly not a spphisticated build.
so Devil’s advocate here, I wanted to main Fl4k (Rakk Attack, cuz it’s basically Mordecai 2.0), but Moze is too awesome for me to not love playing her. Moze, Zane, Fl4k, and Amara, is my 1-4 in order at this point.
My Moze is deathless, bloodletter, transformer, with a trevonator (which is like by far my favorite shot gun.) , scoville, and night hawkins as well as one more other gun that i don’t remember off hand so not as important obviously. I run her Shield of Retribution Heavy (always full Vladof Ingenuity and Thin Red Line regardless of renovating the rest of the build), and simply hit as many incendiary dmg skill points in the lower levels of Bottomless Mags and Demo Woman as possible. Shields melt under the fire dmg, armor melts under the fire dmg and flesh basically doesn’t really exist except in the COV home bases, and not on anything I’m shooting at even there. Annointed I just point my Trevonator at their head point blank and burst fire them into a crystalline state in 1 mag or less. (i only really play this Moze on M4 and Iron Bear is very much neglected)
I literally cannot express how much I enjoy playing Moze, Zane and Fl4k as much as I love them take second and third.
I expected not to like Moze, but I’ve found myself playing her the most (Moze-t?). She’s got my two favourite skill trees. I was pretty indifferent to her action skill until I got a Bear Trooper mod. With that and the various skills to beef up the Bear I do enjoy tromping around and blasting things with two explosive machine guns.
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yeah honestly I thought she would be the most boring VH this time around for me, cuz Axton and Roland weren’t my style. but she is really nice to play, and on my second rendition of her I love the targeting Rockets that Iron Bear can come into play with because it finally simplifies the bloated rakk rounds of cistern of slaughter.
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Nah I wanna see that 160% splash damage anointment getting used while i’m inside Iron Bear, also the grenade anoint is doodoo. Better to have “on grenade thrown” or even just a simple ASE 50% anoint
More specifically what im referring to is this:
“After exiting Iron Bear gain 160% splash damage for 18s” would be changed to “While Iron Bear is Active gain 160% splash damage” NOT auto-bear.
Moze was the first VH they worked on IIRC and it shows. She needs a fundamental rework.
Well put
If you have a good shield build, with many ways to recharge the shield… You don’t need vampyr at all
Please besides Transfusion Grenades and like the Otto Idol, what are all these “many ways” to recharge the shield. Because I must clearly be stupid if I dont know them. And dont say Tenacious Defense or the Guardian Rank perk. Or that perk that recharges your shield when you go in IB. Because I hate going in and out of IB, its tedious and boring.
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Transformer shield and electric explosions.
Yes, because thats fun gameplay. Literally having to throw shock things at your feet. Again tedious and boring. Or getting hit by electric enemies. Literally no other character really has to go out of their way to heal, Moze has to constantly throw grenades to heal. All you have to do to heal with Zane and Amara is shoot, FL4K isnt great in the healing department either tbh. Not to mention to proc anointment she has to sit through like 3 years of animations. Whereas every other VH literally has to press one button with a very short animation. I have 9 days on Moze and she is by far the most tedious VH to play. Zane and FL4K feel so smooth to me and Moze just doesnt feel like that. Like dont get me wrong, I love Moze but she needs a lot of work to be where the other VHs are.
Definitely Moze needs improvement when it comes to shortening the IB animation and making her healing skill available early on without investing too much on the blue tree (or provide another source of heal).
However, I am having fun with Moze still even with those setbacks (and other annoying glitches in the game). She is my VH that can carry 3 people in Proving Grounds M4 and obliterate enemies as if they are nothing – fast and efficient. Story mode TVHM M4 is too easy for my Moze now. Cistern M4 is also easy for my Moze. In Shaft she is doing good but I won’t say it’s a walk in the park. Against Takedown that’s when you wish Moze has better healing option and better movement speed (without resorting to Teddy chucking, Transformer shocking, Stop Gap glitching).
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Dude… cloning maddening tracker grenades + Vampyre = immortal .
I do admit though compared to Zanes barrier (aka easy mode ), I do wonder why GBX had an issue with the hex and moze having infinite shields with them. I mean… zane is essentially immortal with his barrier and moze refilling shields with a hex was game breaking ?
That bieing said , I main both zane and moze and I have a ton more fun with moze . I dont know what it is… I think maybe people sleep on short Fuse and how powerful it can get with splash damage bonuses on your gear and maxed out stainless steel bear. Man oh man do those secondary explosions from short Fuse wreck things.
Ib is also a beast once you Invest some points into him. I run a explosive mini and cryo setup and pop him whenever Irun into annointed or tough armored badasses.
She’s so addicting and it’s sad to see people hate on her so much. I’m not even an amazing player or anything but I’m wrecking with her. Zane and his barrier make the game pretty easy but damage wise I get way more our of moze and IB than zane and his drone . In fact with zane if i see annointed i just run. With moze i stick and fight them .
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I agree with movement speed. Just like I miss things I had with moze when I play my zane , the biggest adjustment I have to make going from zane to moze is the god awful slow as molasses speed of moze by comparison. Holy hell is it an adjustment .
Rushin offensive should be changed to also add movement speed per enemy killed , or any other skill for that matter. As of now I have to resort to a snowdrift deathless relic to slide around every where
It’s funny though because I recently took up Zane to lvl 53. He’s so fast. It took me sometime to get used to him. I’d often go past the ledges and fall lol. Eventually I got used to it. When I went back to Moze, it’s a pain when it comes to speed. However one thing that I really like with Moze is her ammo regen and mag size. With Zane I find myself reloading often (in comparison to Moze).
Oh I never said that I think Moze cant survive M4 or that Vampyr is bad, im simply saying id like a healing option outside of Vampyr that is more passive, like the other VHs have. Like Zane’s Donnybrook or whatever the skill Amara has that heals her for elemental damage done. I also wish Vampyr wasnt 15 points into the tree. Like it seems so stupid when Zane can get 2 healing skills with the same amount of points. Also idk how you are playing Zane but my Zane completely shreds everything and anything. Idk why’d you would run from anointed with Zane, who imo, is the strongest character in the game with his Seein Dead COM (you can actually do the Chain Zane build with the Executor COM too actually). Tbh I think Moze could use better COMs like Blast Master, Bloodletter and Mindsweeper are all great. Raging Bear is great too, Bear Trooper is just worse Raging Bear imo and Rocketeer is hot garbage. Green Monster gives good skills but the bonus is underwhelming imo.