This is precisely why the score column needs to be removed or changed to reflect minions built/kills and structures built/destroyed.
The score column sends the wrong message.
It isn’t that taking out the opposing team isn’t important, but it isn’t the only factor.
Yah I agree. If it showed more of what helps with objectives it might get people to focus on that more instead of sending in characters to the fray that don’t belong there. Everyone can kill, but not everyone specializes in it and these other specialists shine when they do there job.
When I play Toby my k:d is awesome. I rarely get killed unless the enemy really pushes and got plenty of kills (sniperlife).
When I play as cald i get shards, assists and build all the things. Murdering minions and getting out before I can get murdered. I could probably push for more kills, but then I would not be using cald as I see he is best.
A 2-20 ratio is exagerating a bit but thats beside the point, the truth is that a player can seem to have a poor score and yet be a lot more helpfull to the team than the one that tops the KD ratio.
This is specially true on a game like BB, my point is that without seing the rest of the stats i couldnt decide which one i would choose, just knowing their KD wouldnt mean much to me.
On a game like CS:GO? Yeah probably, on Battleborn? Not a deciding factor.
Just want to echo what a few other posters have mentioned.
If the final score on the leaderboards was a better reflection of the team objectives it would help serve to reduce the ‘K:D’ is all mentality that people (especially those with a large FPS PVP background) might have.
The final score is right now is 100% about K:D, which is counter-intuitive to an object-oriented game like BB.
In fact ‘K:D’ should probably be no more than 20% of the overall score.
Killing minions, gathering shards, building buildables, providing healing…should all be on an equal footing with K:D. (Can’t really use the ‘Objective’ column as there are only 2 in Incursion…though it would work better for Meltdown & Capture)
I am actually expecting to see a change to how that final score is calculated when the game releases…so we’ll see if it does.
A negative K:d ratio can be bad though… But thats more of a matter of not dying than killing.
Thank you it’s a moba. Don’t know how many times I gotta tell ppl this lol. Has anyone player the beta and won a game with like 0 kills? I have that minnion pushing was real.
I don’t think it’s an issue that’s big of an issue, I just think it’s not necessarily the best way to determine how well you did.
But at the same time not being there for your team, so you don’t die and have a happy k/d is also pretty bad.
Exactly. Very rarely do I see a player with poor k/d topping the leaderboard with minion kills, assists, or anything else of that nature. Not saying it can’t happen, but in my experience it is very rare. The sheer fact is that the more time you spend dead, the less time you spend contributing to the team.
Agreed. Don’t know why the score doesn’t take into account minion kills, sentry damage, healing etc.
(As a note, I fully agree “Score” shouldn’t be based solely on Kills & Assists; this post is about K:D as a method of judging in-game effectiveness.)
As people have said, the K:D ratio is pretty hard to apply any value to across the board because the Kills score only really indicates effectiveness on certain characters. I think it’s absolutely valid to expect Marquis to have a solid Kills score, much like Reyna should have a solid Assists score and Oscar Mike should have a solid Minions Sent To Fiery Robot Hell score. Different characters are awesome at different things, and that’s part of what makes Battleborn rad.
But while the value of Kills varies greatly, Deaths on the other hand strikes me as a much more consistent measurement than Kills or K:D. Because some characters should be getting a big K, but nobody wants a big D.
No character has been designed with death as a necessary or encouraged part of their kit, and there’s no role in the game that is helped by dying: even tanking is a role about mitigating incoming damage to prevent deaths, not dying for the cause. Whatever your role or chosen playstyle is, you can’t do it from post-death spectator cam.
Deaths are gonna happen, certainly: finishing a game with a handful of Deaths on your card just means the enemy team wasn’t massively outclassed (or asleep 
). And sometimes you’re on the receiving end of that massive outclassing and just get absolutely torn apart; it happens. But if it’s happening all the time and you’re racking up a dozen-or-so Deaths per game, then I guarantee you’re taking unnecessary risks, or not paying enough attention to your surroundings, or not learning from your mistakes, or not playing to your strengths, or your character’s, or something. And I’m not an elitist at all when it comes to online gaming, and I’ve never abused someone in a video game, but I will absolutely use those 16 Deaths on your sheet to silently infer that you weren’t helping much.
I’d probably be able to confirm that with the rest of your stats during the post-game, since it’s hard to pull good numbers on the other statistics when you spend half the game waiting to respawn, but at a quick scoreboard glance I do think Deaths by itself provides a much more accurate assessment of effectiveness than Kills or K:D and actually maintains validity across the roster.
Yes its true, reckless deaths hurt the team, because you take yourself out of the experience.
But what people forget, is assists. How many Mikos have bad K/D’s? Probably a lot of them, but if you look at healing and damage taken you can see the value beyond the bad K/D.
Is there an emoji for death by laughter?
Yes that is very true, But even then not dying is still important. I expect that a healer will have a negative K/D ratio but the fewer deaths the better.
Defense wins championships.
I try to only die as a worthy sacrifice, but I high tail it the hell out if I’m feeling the heat. It’s why I love sprint boosting gear on melee so much. In and out. Mission accomplished. But even then the focus usually isn’t on killing, but anything else. I only kill players interfering with an objective or something vital to it.
My K:D ratio was negative. Had a crazy amount of assists though. Playing support most of the time ( as well as tank) and caring more about minions than finishing off other players really didn’t help. Especially suicidal teammates that I supported and died as a result when they either fled the battlefield with a good escape ability or simply died despite my heals/support due to being far too reckless, leaving me alone behind. THAT didn’t help.
My W:L ratio was IIRC largely positive (but not overwhelmingly positive either) though.
I agree objective> k:D ratio. I see peoples disliking battleborn because of the long TTk it has. but killing isn’t the goal so who freaking care about long TTK? Quite contrary, the game works better that way.
And score should be changed indeed. This isn’t logical.
That’s actually why I prefer BB to OW, TTK in that game is so short that it really doesn’t require skill to win a fight from the gameplay I have seen.
Just like a moba, this game at least gives you a chance for a good brawl.
Lol “big D” im so mature
Yeah big K/D is usually more a sign of how uneven a game was more than anything else, when one team is just spawn camped then it doesnt even matter. A close even game isnt going to have scores like that. Often times when you know your team has the edge then whoever wants to roam and gank can usually do it. Boldur is fully capable of KILLING, but his slow attacks leads to his kills being taken by rapid attacking or burst-damage allies and thats fine, your team knows you helped. Good tanks should be setting up situations for your Attackers to capitalize on, thats why you always Ping a target. You push into enemy lines and drag one of them kicking and screaming out of the herd and throw him at the mercy of your allies guns.