#18

Ur the most toxic player I know ya lousy kill farmer. And yes I try to run into you as well so I can put you in your place :wink:

foreverlevelingthorn!

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#19

Be sure to vote nemo in the next battleborn election so that we as a community can work together to fix this troubling issue!

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#20

Short harsh answer?

There isn’t a good answer. At this point and with everything that I’ve seen from battleborn my bet is the devs can’t attack this problem directly with how the playerbase is, which means the community needs to police itself…and you can see the results of that. Groups trying to catch each other in solo/duo, experienced teams stretching out matches to get kills, spawn camping…

people will abuse any system they have the ability to, whether to test their boundaries(tinkering with gear or helixes or even ways of engaging)…or people who only enjoy a game when crushing the enemy team(pubstompers)

Battleborn is leaving very little gray area the more time goes on. And the fewer grey areas there are the more divided we will become. There isn’t really a common cause to unite people in this because too many people will just say f*ck it and move on to other games after getting ground into paste a few dozen times. There’s “get good” and then there’s a meat grinder…personally battleborn is a meat grinder, we are telling everyone the only way to survive is to group up to form teams, does any realize that’s just high school survival?(no seriously! we’re all forming cliques, you can almost see factions in this community based on opinions about battleborn)

Edit: name an idea if you want me to expand on it and I’ll ponder and add the thoughts that occur to me, this is a general overview to show my short answer isn’t simply a defeatist attitude

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#21

I think @loving-hatred nailed it.

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#22

Ou me me me! Tell me my faction!!

Am i a candor? (Divergent joke)

Seriously what is faction! You got all my attention on this!

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#23

Wasn’t tagged, but you can’t stop me from responding. :stuck_out_tongue:

At this time (especially as PC player) I despise queues in general from the deepest of my heart. I onced loved to play any mode in this game (solo or coop PvE, solo queue PvP or playing with 1-4 friends), but it came to a point that I swore I will only play PvP if someone invites me to play (no matter if public or private) and this happens maybe once or twice in half a year.

Queues are busted and no matter which ones are implemented, there always will be problems with it.

My favourite way to deal with the problem would be to build a system around open lobbies (proposal that might work can be found here). This basically is a continuation of another low playercount problem, I had over 30 years ago, it worked for us to have fun, it probably would work here too. If you don’t know how to behave, you will be kicked or even blocked and no one will play with you. If you challenge a team of scrubs with a tournament quality team they will deny it and let you stand in the rain. Gamemode choice comes after getting teams together (and there could be the whole shebang from tournament rules with fixed gear selection to Warefare Rumble). This will imho solve a lot of problems. If it is at least semi-ranked, people have an incentive to match against higher ranked teams to climb the ladder, but they do that on purpose and then most probably will stomach a loss better.

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#24

somewhere around 3 out of 4 games I play in solo/duo is against at least 4, if not 5 players in a premade cheesing the queue. Kind of sad, but at the same time, there is a very easy solution. I do not know if it would work on ps4, and it for sure wouldn’t work on pc, but on xbox it would. Just never have solo duo unless incursion is also on the playlist. It literally solves the whole problem. The overwhelming majority of players that cheese the solo queue are doing so because they have a group of friends they want to play with, and they do not want to play the casual game modes available in quick match.

Here is a way that it could work:
regular queues would be quick match, incursion, and solo duo all the time. Bots battle would be made into a pve queue, because it is not pvp. You could rotate regular incursion for draft once a week, and that would be it. Simple fix.

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#25

Just going to add here that one of the reason so many red bar players have quit is the artificial skill ceiling. The more focused and experienced the player base gets, the more it mattered that my inputs all came with a half-second delay. (And in my case, it especially didn’t help that my main was retooled into a latency-demanding character.)

Right now, Battleborn is absolutely toxic in its lack of console region locking, given its tiny and aggressively competitive playerbase.

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#26

Another thing that needs to be re-placed is the ability to see opponent’s levels before the match starts. New players don’t know how to check to see if they are underleveled compared to the opponents and while it would raise a lot more backing out before games started, it would certainly divert the amount of frustrating mid-game leaving that’s been plauging matchmaking since the change was implemented.

Also, it would be nice if the matchmaking was programmed in such a way where a full squad of 100+s didn’t run into one lvl 100 and four 10s and below. It’s very late in the game’s lifespan, but something to lower the rate of unbalanced teams playing against one another probably could’ve bought the game more months in its lifespan and avoided this major frustration the community is facing now.

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#27

Oi, fight me! Benedict may be weaker than he was than before but I can still blow them thighs out the sky!

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#28

I’m certainly no expert in PVP, I don’t enjoy the “competitive experience.” I’d give it a try if I thought there was a chance of being matched with players with demonstrated skill levels closer to my own. I already know most players are better than I am and I don’t have a problem with that; I just want a chance. I lucked into a few matches where the all the players were around the same “skill” level and it was fun.

Surely there are examples of matchmaking that can group players with relatively equal skill levels.

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#29

You will get matched with equally skilled players ocassionally but not often. Don’t expect that on a pvp game that has been out for almost a year. Your best bet is to get better through practice.

Players in general need to stop looking at this fantasy game where they expect no/minimum toxicity from other players. That doesn’t exist in a competitive game. Face reality and work around it. Don’t let it affect you negatively. Be stronger than that. If you enjoy something, keep doing it regardless what anyone else thinks or say. If you don’t enjoy it then spend your time on something else. It’s that simple.

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#30

I’m sure you’re right, but hope springs eternal . . . .

#31

Barring any major change from GBX, I think the only possible remedy for the current situation is some kind of community based initiative. So for instance:

  1. A mentor list on the forums. Mentors are vets that commit a certain amount of time helping noobies. They specify their availability in a forum thread. All mentors on that list friend each other so that they can facilitate balanced private matches for new players.

  2. Noobie pvp night. Maybe have matches based on command rank. So 5 rank 30s versus one rank 150. Again these are learning experiences for new players, not competitive matches so the vets might get stomped. It’s just so new players can practice.

  3. Mentor private bot battle matches. Get a vet and a rank noob to do private matches with bot fillers. Start to scale down to make it more challenging–so 5v5, 4v5, 3v5, etc. Bots are dumb but I did a 2v5 incursion the other day and it was somewhat challenging, especially if you go no healer.

There’s a lot of things the community could offer. The problem is that-

  1. It requires commitment and consistency from players who are willing to help.
  2. For it to work, newbies have to participate rather than just quitting the game.

Some people tried snatching up newbies on pc a while back. I friended 7 new people on steam one day and none of them accepted or replied. I think it’s too late for pc, but maybe something like this could help on PS.

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#32

If you want to help people with no little pvp experience its going to have to come from the Vets who always group up. If you want players to keep on playing you are going to have to make a sacrifice. If no one teams up in a mode or changing solo/duo que to JUST solo and have it on all the time. With everyone solo queing you will split the skill levels, of all players. Sure there will be times when you are still playing with your friends and others where you go up against players who you normally team up with. But this is honestly the only way you will be able to help level out the skill and get newer players to stick around.

But honestly there is not a whole lot that can be done currently. Players have lost interest in this game, some are still hanging around in hopes of better balancing. And some players still love it likes its new…

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#33

I definitely agree that something along these lines is what is necessary to keep new players in the game. I myself have been thinking of the same idea of just getting every current player in a list and create matches from there.

The problems with this plan though is

  1. At some point we are doing GBX job of matchmaking and it would be much more efficient in GBX implemented a queue that could do this automatically.
  2. Getting the message out. not everyone comes on to the forums or the Reddit so there would need to be a way to reach every player (ie. in game message > GBX)
  3. Similar things have been tried before to help population and train new players. There is the discord to find matches and there is a battle school there to train players, whether or not it is still active. There was also a 3rd party site someone made just to find players to play with. but again problems with these refer number 2.
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#34

well said!

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#35

Look at the talks especially on topics about how the playerbase is,

the pc players are a shadow of their former glory, mostly waiting for a miracle or for the end(nothing against them for this)

You have the players that are the “elite” the ones who are extremely competitive and playing the tournaments,

Then you have the more casual pvp players. I’d include myself you and @FlamesForAll in this despite our varying opinions that I’m sure we have.

Finally there are the players who abhor pvp and stay to story/OPS/bots battle exclusively for various reasons

Then you have the battleborn initiates, depending on platform they’ll either default to how I described the pc players. Or slowly become one of the other archetypes

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#36

This genuinely makes me sad. I don’t understand what happens to people to cause them to send the type of hate mail they do. Especially in a community this small.

Aren’t we all here to see Battleborn improve? Why tear down casuals?

I wonder what the playerbase stats look like on solo/duo days versus the other queues such as draft.

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#37

My opinion differs, I see these players as being the same group. Maybe Lower tier elite ( depending on how many drinks) but still elite status. Casual or not is fine to add a label but lets be honest with the time played or matches played in total and/or with 1 character. No Casual Player has 1000 matches with 1 character or lets say what 500 or 600 hours. Because newer players have what kind of stats? Since I havent logged in regulary in months now, my lower CR of under 120 and hours played below 350 and matches played with my “main” under 150 have put me into the newer player category against the elites. But thats why the experience makes them the elite in this lower player base type of game.

A Casual mentality with elite skills or experience is still Elite

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