It seems like you got a little delayed

I have Nothing against gog, but their followers act just like console fanboys, or apple vs Microsoft. And I’m not saying pc gamers or steam users, (or origin, etc) don’t act like theirs are superior either. We should all just live in harmony, use every service, just like most of us do with walmart, target, tesco, etc. They’re all different means of distribution with exclusive perks on each one, that aren’t on others. At the end of the day it’s the developers, who spend time and money building it, that have the say where, when, how much, and how they release their games. Not the fans. Don’t act entitled to have it on one or the other, or hold someone to something they never specifically said.

Get over it and buy on Steam. Steam is awesome.

I really don’t want to have to close this thread too.Take that fighting talk out of here now, thankyou.

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[quote=“Psychichazard, post:13, topic:96225, full:true”]
Okay, I get that you want it to mean what you want it to mean, but that doesn’t mean that it means what you want it to mean. I’d be very cautious about planning on feeling betrayed by my own expectations, that’s not going to bring much happiness.

I’m just trying to work out when GBx announced the purchase of the HW ip, and where that fits in the timeline of the wishlish. I imagine that many people would have been keen on a rerelease of the original game for a long time prior to that announcement- I know I was- and GoG would be a reasonable place to expect it crop up, being an old game. But how many people who signed it have now bought the remaster on steam? I have no idea how many, but that 36k has to be reduced to account for that, yes? Not everyone who signed is opposed to steam.
[/quote] If you wanna figure this out,you can use this link to the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, it does feature GOGs wishlist entries! Just pick the date you are interested in and head over to the wishlist, everything wishlist-related seems to work fine! https://web.archive.org/web/20130315000000*/http://www.gog.com
Anyways, I can tell you that most of these votes are from the time before Gearbox acquired the rights!
But does this really matter? As they were one of the things that showed that there was a market for a Homeworld rerelease I´d even consider them worthier than votes that have been cast after the announcement: Before that announcement there was little to no hope and these fans were STILL voting -> they are the diehard fanbase!
To your second point: The wishlist isn´t that popular for folks who buy stuff on GOG for other reasons then the DRM-freeness! The wishlist isn´t that popular anyways, as many users didn´t believe in it till the System Shock II-rerelease and even after that point the contribution on it isn´t that high in general; as you can see if you take a look at how many/few votes System Shock II had!

Your post sounds cool in the beginning, talking about harmony and so on, but end up pretty ignorant: Basically you are just telling folks who do prefer “organic meats” over “industrial meat” or “Fair Traded Stuff” over “Traditional Traded Stuff” or “faux leather” over “leather from animals” to stop there campaigns! Trying to secure as many games from being DRM-exclusive is just the same as fighting for biological alternative of every type of food, trying to get companies to join fair trade organisations or getting fashion producers to search for alternative materials that don´t require animals to die for.
Personally, I don´t care for the last stuff, I find it rather irrelevant in comparision to the BioMovement, the FairTradeCampaigns or the DRMFreeMovement. But does this result in, accusing them beeing blinded/ fanboys/ whatsoever? No! I cannot really appreciate the advantage of the products they are promoting, but that´s no reason to dislike them/ telling them to stop, as it doesn´t hurt others!
That´s tolerance. And of course, as always tolerance does include intolerance against intolerance…

Have you already been editing/ deleting the rest of the posts? I do only see the two posts of emericablind and sond.
Although their opinions don´t match my opinions, I don´t find them too aggressive in comparison to the things going on on other forums! Maybe sonds one is not that nice, as it adds nothing to the discussion, but constructs a little bit of conflict potential in return, but well, it´s not that harsh…
Anyways, if you´ve been closing down threads all day I could of course understand your mood! But even if you interpret their posts as misbehavior, or if there were a few others you already deleted were misbehaving pretty badly it would be rather unfair and illogical to close this thread in return, as this would result in…
…a low chance that a Gearbox official will respond! (as locked threads doesn´t cause that much attention…)
…a punishment for those who DIDN´T show any kind of misbehavior!!
…encouragement for some trolls that just do want to take down thread, as they´d then know what to post to take a thread down without loosing their face!

You see, closing down the thread would be total counterproductive!

If you have anything to discuss regarding moderation, I’m happy to use pm. This forum is not other forums. We have higher expectations of our members.

Discussing other forum users openly is not a good way to go.

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@emericablind: I’m not inherently anti-Steam, I’m just anti-DRM and Steam happens to be a fairly ubiquitous purveyor of DRM. I have nothing against games being released on Steam if there’s a DRM-free alternative, I would never call for a game to be exclusive to GOG just as I don’t like it when games are Steam exclusive.
I have to disagree that we (customers) should all use every service, as some of them are in direct opposition to my principles but I’d love it if all games were published on every service. But yes, there are insufferable fanboys for everything. I am not a GOG fan specifically, I am a DRM-free fan. It just so happens that GOG is the only DRM-free retailer of note. :slight_smile:

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This thread is not going to become a discussion of drm.

Register your interest in a GoG release, if you want.

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@Psychichazard: It’s certainly not what I intended, I simply felt the need to explain myself to emericablind. Simply that there’s a reason I’m interested in a GOG release and it doesn’t just boil down to blind loyalty like he sort of suggested.
I’m not interested in debating the merits/downsides of DRM here.

@SirPrimalform: I am in no way suggesting that. The attitude I’ve seen on other posts on this forum, and slightly from this one is just that. I feel we should all be happy that we got a release AT ALL for this game, even if it is for one platform. It’s the same as people complaining about System Exclusives. I have plenty of games from GOG, and I wouldn’t have a care in the world otherwise if it were released on there. But the fact of the matter is, it was obviously a decision made at some point not to include GOG for one reason or another that I can’t be certain of.

Sounds very cynical to me,don´t you think so? It´s on the same level as telling an activist for fair trade to be glad that there is that sort of chocolate, that Jeans-Model, that electronic component at all!
You CAN say this, but it´s not very likely that the FairTrader would believe you are taking him serious…

Anyways, we should remember this post:

It´s not very likely that Psychichazard is very happy if we do continue this discussion… :smiley:

@drmopponent I will not register my opinions on his choice of threats. As far as I, and the others are concerned, our comments are discussing the topic at hand, and are no way straying from it.

@Psychichazard:

I’ve just noticed that there’s a wishlist entry specifically for Homeworld Remastered which now has over a thousand votes. Since it was known that the remasters were coming to Steam, it’s safe to assume those votes count for people who prefer GOG over Steam. 1000 doesn’t sound like much, but it’s quite a lot for a GOG wishlist entry to get in such a short space of time.

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Groovy. That can’t be a bad thing.

Indeed. I really hope Gearbox work something out. Perhaps when Galaxy has launched properly?

Good to see this discussion can be had again.

I’ll just reaffirm my support for releasing on multiple platforms. GoG would be great when Galaxy is up and running fully.

edit. Maybe I should add specifically that I’m not opposed to Steam in and of itself. I just don’t think it should be the only place HW:R is made available.

I am aware of a few games that the developers have plainly been unable to accommodate for a gog release because of the multilayer. Even with Galaxy (Wasn’t available then) there would be extra time needed to be dedicated to implementing that kind of cross platform compatibility. Some games will just not have the developer time to do it (again for various unfortunate but very valid reasons)

If it is possible and it’s feasible I do hope GBX is able to do a gog release, more HW players is never a bad thing after all! But they are at the end of the day under 0 obligation to do a gog release as this thread insinuates at the start. I’ve seen some interesting arguments to try and force developers to make games available on gog that make this thread look like child’s play.

One thing that IS closely tied to steam though as far as I understand is the mod tools. It sounds like modding, especially MP friendly mods, are going to be very closely tied to the steam workshop. I do not know how that will work with a gog release and is something that might make a gog release (or at least a MP compatible release) unfeasible. Mods are going to be this game’s lifeblood, much like the originals so that will most likely be GBXs primary concern when it comes to releasing HWR on gog (though I obviously don’t speak for GBX :stuck_out_tongue: )

Only available from two places? That’s lame as hell.

Nice to see some participation going on. But not so sweet that there is still no sign of any comment by some Gearbox-Staff…

It’s been my experience when it comes to things as open ended like this a company would rather err on the side of no comment than make promises that would hurt future possibilities.

Again, just in my experience.

Edit: Like if they say yes they want to do a GOG release but it turns out to not be possible then they are going to get a horrendous amount of flak over it. If they say no but they find it possible later, same thing. It sucks but welcome to developer-customer relationships 101.

I agree. “No answer” includes still the possibility for a positive future answer.