My point is there can be… But why? Just use a Blast Master or Green Monster. Boom, +100% splash damage.
DW is probably her best tree all around. It doesn’t really need damage. Short Fuse is probably the biggest single DPS increasing skill in the game. I was messing around earlier today, and my SF explosion was doing twice the damage of my actual shot with an splash damage gun.
This was just on my second, “I’m messing around” Moze that is poorly geared. A proper Moze, well built with good gear and focused on that can probably increase her overall DPS by 2-300% consistently.
MoD means you are able to chuck a grenade constantly, if you want, for +25% damage increase with the correct annointment.
In conclusion, that tree probably has her greatest increase in DPS AND survivability (thanks, Vampyr) out of any of her trees.
Switching from ps4 to pc, I haven’t noticed a difference with SF visuals. It’s not annoying if you’re using explosive weapons, it’s only irritating if you’re using regular bullets. AoE boosts make it worse as well (as do other radius boosts).
DW doesnt really have her highest dps beyond short fuse being good and being a chance. Sf is not goodfor every single gun and every build. The grenade regen is also trash if u dont have the select few guns or want to run those select few guns.
Doing green and red is great for some high dmg 1 shot and mobbing builds you can get a TOM of damage from phalanx doctrine and that is also your survivability from that juicy juicy shield. Slap a recharger on that bad boy to and boom. Green and red can go toe to toe and is alot more fun than constantly throwing grenades and hoping you get your healing in time
you need to read the short fuse thread and the damage diversification thread.
red tree has diminishing returns on its additive damage when properly utilizing anointments and/or the pearl. whether the weapon is splash or not, when properly utilizing these effects, short fuse will offer more damage than the other 2 trees due to its strange interactions with other skills and the way it profits much more off of other damage bonuses.
you can build however you want; there’s nothing wrong with not wanting to build into the blue tree. just be careful with the statements you make so that others don’t take incorrect information as fact.
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13igTyme
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I’d have to agree. SF is the best damage capstone for Moze as of right now. Even if your not using splash guns, it’s still the best option. I’ve used non splash guns and a Blast master and seen the damage increase because of the blast master being so great. I’ve also use a green monster and did bursts. I didn’t maintain the corrosive effect, but it didn’t matter. The critical hit damage is calculated into short fuse and just killed everything.
Yeah… But it does though. Even my Bloodletter/Deathless build is built with 26 in DW, ask the way to Short Fuse, down to Redistribution in BM, and 3/3 (6/3 with mod) in Desperate Measures. And I don’t even use splash weapons for my Takedown build. But it’s really that much extra DPS. And DM just adds to the base damage of Short Fuse.
If you are looking for damage, your pretty much have to take Short Fuse. It adds so much more than it says on paper, even with non-splash weapons. I would go so far as to say that if you don’t have it, you cannot call your build competitive with (let alone actually among) top tier builds.
That is how much extra DPS it allows, not even considering Vampyr, MoD, and various AS cool downs/extensions the tree gives you along the way.
I think it is why so many Deathless builds fail, for example. They don’t go all the way down DW and get Short Fuse. I could go in further about this, but after over 450 or so hours just playing Moze, I don’t see the point. Anyone not picking up Short Fuse is playing a niche build, and is most likely gimping themselves on damage. It’s far and away her best capstone, and her best tree overall. I’ll do a BM+DW build. I’ll do a SoR+DW build. I cannot bring myself to do a BM+SoR build. It’s just screwing yourself out of so much IB, survivability, and damage.
It’s true for most builds. But I wouldn’t say it goes for everything. Anarchy/Insider for example gets more out of PD/TD then it does Short Fuse in my experience. That goes for any high pellet weapon really. Also if you aren’t really building around splash then the difference between building into TD or Short Fuse isn’t much different and SOR does add some nice tankiness to a build especially with a shield like Old God or Re-Charger.