#93

Here is the full lore for those of you who care to read it. the important part is the name at the top.

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FROM HER MOST IMPERIAL MAJESTY
EMPRESS LENORE
OF THE JENNERIT EMPIRE
the 8,225th year and 101st day of her Immortal Reign
Regarding: Novitiate Sister Claudia Ambralia Divia

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Sister Benniteg,

We wish to congratulate you on the induction of your newest novitiate, Claudia Ambralia Divia, today on the twentieth year of her Birth, and also now her Sustainment.

We continue in our pleasure of your oversight of the Order of the Sustaining Mother, and your hand in taking young well-born females of the Empire and grooming them for a long lifetime of service to our people. We believe Ambralia to be an exemplary candidate. Her matronly, abrupt nature will serve as a benefit to your order.

We do not expect to hear any more concerns regarding Ambralia’s sharp manner and her interest in galactic politics. Rather, we expect to hear of the successful integration into your order.

To this end, we have crafted a new Vow for your Sisterhood, a creed to help your order maintain focus as we seek to defray the death of our stars.

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Any Deed. Any Price.
Her Imperial Majesty Empress Lenore

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To be quite blunt I don’t think this is the B we are looking for. This sister Benniteg is of the same order as Ambra so she probably dose the same kind of stuff. Also Alani may have killed her but it’s late and i don’t want to go through to much lore right now.

I don’t think we will find the right name unless someone can pull some hidden data from the code or something.

#94

@Nemosis327 I also have my doubts it is Benniteg because I would imagine they are required to all wear the same style of clothes to show they are members of the Sisterhood.

Given Rendain’s position as a military commander, I am leaning towards the idea that his type of body augmentations is for members of the military as the final character silhouette shares a lot of similar geometry to Rendain. As much as I really want another badass female character to play with, I have a feeling that Rendain’s look might be how the male upperclass Jennerit like to look, meaning character #5 might be another dude :confused:

The silhouette does have a sort of dress-like/hourglass shape to it, so I’m still hopeful that I am wrong. :heart:

I tried messing with the exposure a bit the other day and to me, the last character is somewhat mutated like Mellka (but to a much further extent). That right arm seems to have a big stinger on the end :open_mouth:

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#95

Just because you’re a member of an organization, doesn’t mean you all have to wear the same stuff. It also doesn’t mean there can’t be more than one player character in a single group, look at the Peacekeepers, almost all of them (Except Galilea, that I know of), are part of the same military, possibly the same segment of that military. So why do you say it’s so unlikely that the last BB is Sister Benniteg? Unless you can think of another name that starts with B, and fits in with the Jennerit style, that is as close and accurate as we’re going to get. Besides, the thing on the character’s back in that silhouette looks kind of like Ambra’s headpiece, to me at least. Also, if you look really closely, I think I can see that it has a female face, and a mask pushed up onto her head, maybe I’m just seeing things, but I’m already getting an image of the character in my head. I would’ve preferred to get a Jennerit character first though, since they are my favored faction to play as.

#96

The Jennerit and the Peacekeepers have very different hierarchies. The Peacekeepers have this “band of brothers” type feel to it. Of what I’ve read about Galilea, she has only become a Peacekeeper recently (after certain events on Bliss) so she’s one character that breaks the mold.

But for Jennerit it’s quite different.

  • Attikus represents the lesser thralls and is a character that seems to have stepped up into a role that was previously not available for him or his kind
  • Caldarius is a foreigner who earned the respect of the people despite being from a lesser race and was imprisoned because of his status as an outsider within the Empire
  • Deande is a spymaster, so like a secret agent that goes behind enemy lines and does the more secretive jobs no one else can do above the board, she is also the one who seemed closest to Empress Lenore.
  • Rath is a blacksmith and a member of a different order similar to the Sisterhood, placing him quite high up in the food chain (I’m thinking upperclass with large amounts of respect from the people)
  • And Ambra as was mentioned was a member of the Sisterhood and I’m guessing a representative at galactic politics / military discussions and general clean freak

All of these characters are from very different places in the Jennerit Empire and the thing that is missing right now is a representative of the military that was Rendain’s pride and joy. To me, doing another character from the same place for the Jennerit, seems to go against how these characters were picked as the devs probably want to show how vast the Jennerit Empire is.

Also reminder, to date, there has not been a single DLC character previously featured in any existing lore.

#97

I don’t play many Peacekeepers, so I wouldn’t really know that much about how they feel.

All true, but I think Rath was a member of the Keepers of the Blade, which, correct me if I’m wrong, weren’t they the equivalent of bodyguards for the Empress?

Well, didn’t the Jennerit mainly use thralls for the military, as Sustainment is quite difficult, meaning there wouldn’t be an army’s worth of sustained? There might’ve been a couple of generals/leaders who were sustained, but it seems certain Thralls were given command over some of their peers. (Supervisor Antem, Thrall Foreman Grall, Jailer Hylis, Warlord Nix, Thrall Shift Supervisor Varl, and others, I’m sure.)

True, but many DLC characters so far have lore featuring other BB, who’s to say they couldn’t be a little cheeky and have given us a hint with Ambra’s lore?

I also zoomed in a ton in paint and tried to accent the features I saw in the image you posted, sorry if it’s not the best, I did all I could with the vagueness of it all. Hopefully I didn’t completely ruin the image for anyone.

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#98

@cat590 Your paint skills are badass, though I would still pick @MentalMars’s version any day (he’s obviously seen what he/she looks like!!) :sunglasses:

I do believe part of their job would be serving the Empress, most “nobles” would see all that they do as serving their ruler in some way (except Ambra, she’s in it for herself).

But look at his Lore Artwork.

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First and foremost, it looks like his primary role as a Keeper of the Blade is to make badass weapons for the Empire…Plus a few on the side for himself :wink:

I recall it being more about controlling who got sustained as it meant they would become immortal and live forever. Vampires like to choose who they keep company with for the next 20000 years. My impression was that Lenore herself was keeping the rite of sustainment a trade secret so that when she got banished to the void, no one else could get sustained because the keys to the car were lost. That’s me reading between the lore mind :wink:

#99

Where exactly did you get that information?

Thanks for the paint compliment, but it was the second or third time I used it, to be honest.

Also, if she was being extremely frugal with the Rite of Sustainment, then she didn’t do that well of a job. There’s Deande, Ambra, Benniteg, Rath, the other Keepers of the Blade, Rendain, Lenore herself, any future sustained Jennerit released, Caldarius, Spymistress Jovani, not to mention other Jennerit elite who are no doubt sustained, so I’m pretty sure someone has an inkling on how to do the Rite.

#100

Sorry, my impression of Ambra is based on what I’ve read in her Lore and callouts she has made while playing as her. It isn’t stated anywhere, but implied considering her personality and blatant use of official channels to complain about rather trivial matters that she herself sees as a big deal. Like a rich person that uses their status to do what they want. I mean that letter from Lenore to Benniteg reads to me like Ambra was a bit of a teenage troublemaker that got sent to “nun school” to be taught how to behave. It was also meant as slight jab at her because she’s one of my favourite Jennerit characters because of how I interpret her character. :slight_smile:

As for sustainment, I meant in that she was only allowing who she herself deemed worthy of the rite of sustainment. I think it was mentioned that she would have had to approve all of those people before they could be sustained and to have that sort of sway to me indicates she had control over the process otherwise her reign probably would have ended much sooner than it did. She did apparently invent the process of sustainment after all.

#101

oke last week i had a bit of a teaser up on my youtube channel. But i asked Randy about Empress Lenore and here is what he had to say:

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#102

@cat590 I’ve been reading up on Lore for another project I’ve started working on and it looks like Caldarius was Sustained AFTER Lenore was sent to the Veil and Redain took over. This means either Lenore didn’t have as much control over the process as I thought, or that Rendain figured it out and stole the key from her before he sent her away. I’m still reading, but it seems like Rendain was pissed about getting pushed into a corner as Caldarius had the people backing him up and so he decided to lock him up for 100+ years (probably forever) as punishment. He then probably banned the right of Sustainment so no other person could do what Caldarius did.

#103

Well, she has that personality in her lore because she was sending messages to Ghalt, a non-Jennerit person. Her callouts are just to emphasize her ‘matronly, abrupt nature’, as I see them. I didn’t read it as her being a troublemaker while growing up though, more like she was always obsessed with things being clean and ‘in their proper place’.

Well, doesn’t the process of sustainment take up an entire planet’s worth of power? I imagine they didn’t just go around leeching planets and moons of their energy/life whenever someone wanted to live forever. In the few bits where she does mention sustainment however, it doesn’t seem to be made out to be that big of a deal.

I mean, she no doubt had to approve of everyone, since it takes so much power, but it’s not like she was the only person who knows how to do it. Benniteg should have known, as she had inducted Ambra into the Silent Sisters, and had some kind of hand in her sustainment. (Implied through lore, but never stated directly) And going from one of Deande’s lore, either the Spymistress Jovani or Ambra knows how to preform the Rite as well, which would imply that most of the Jennerit who were sustained have some idea on how the whole process works, since most of them are hyper-intelligent scientists or whatever.

It’s not a gigantic, hush hush process that only one person knows how to do, it’s just that it takes so much energy to do that there’s a massive amount of tests and hoops to jump through before you’re even able to be judged worthy/loyal by the Empress.

#104

Doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t happen, though. I don’t think it’ll happen soon, however. They should focus on expanding the universe more, imo (at least with the characters; they should totally spell things out to outside of the game).

#105

Oh oh! What if, the Sustainment engine is actually a person at its core?? Now that Tempest has been taken back, they are free to leave whatever hole they were being kept in?

I meant more so with the first season of 5 characters. The main argument I’ve been trying to push in this discussion is that this last character is not going to be any character we have previously heard of. It’s totally possible that they could be in the next batch, just not yet since these 5 characters were decided upon months ago.

#106

I decided to look at the posters on outskirts and there is one character we have never seen before, wears a hood, similar to the silhouette, I actually think it is our final character, someone talked about it earlier

#107

Oh yes, there are a lot of posters hung up around Tempest (including ones you can interact with in the Prologue)! What I’d like to know is if symbols found on weapons, attack effects or hidden on the maps themselves actually spell something or are just random symbols put there artistically? Would there be any point in trying to build an alphabet for each race to uncover messages in plain sight?

#108

That would be kind of weird, though it would be kind of cool, especially if it’s Lenore’s daughter (e.g. Lenore “discovered” Sustainment the same way Handsome Jack “discovered” that he could charge up the Vault Key, and used her in pretty much the exact same way to take control of the Jennerit Empire). It would even follow the same idea insofar as HJ had to use huge amounts of Eridium into a Siren in order to charge the key (just like the Sustainment Engine basically consumes an entire planet in order to Sustain a single individual).

I’m also pretty sure that Lenore isn’t sole keeper of the secret of Sustainment, however. Remember that it was Ambra’s failed attempt to Sustain Galilea that lead to Galilea becoming what she is (which tells me that Ambra actually knew everything required to Sustain someone); I would be willing to say that it’s probably a secret known only to Ambra’s order, however (probably helped by the fact that the secret requires the Engine). Ambra’s entire order is primarily concerned with maintaining the Sustainment Engine, from what I recall. The limiting factor on Sustainment is that it’s ridonculously labor and resource intensive. It’s not as if the Jennerit Empire was stopping people from becoming Sustained because they wanted to stop people from becoming Sustained; the difficulty in becoming Sustained probably originated in as a resource limitation and evolved into social/political limitations as the Sustained eventually began to view themselves as the arbiters of who was worthy of the vast expenditure required.

#109

The first thing that comes to mind when I read this is “does that make Redain the dad?”. It’s an abstract thought, and there is no evidence for it, or even that Lenore had a daughter. Personally I don’t think Lenore would have a daughter anyway. She just doesn’t seem like the type if that makes sense.

However she could have found some other being and imprisoned it for sustainment.

#110

[quote=“Nemosis327, post:109, topic:1544582, full:true”]The first thing that comes to mind when I read this is “does that make Redain the dad?”.
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Lenore was Sustained and Rendain was born in the same year (1 CR), so, if Sustaining is based upon the use of Lenore’s daughter, either Rendain had nothing to do with it or there’s some time travel involved.

#111

I personally don’t think the poster is of the new character. In it the lady is shown with both of her arms crossed, but the concept art we got has one of the arms looking disfigured or replaced with machinery. I would so love a character with a hood/reaper inspired, but I don’t think this is the one for that. Now, since we got two supports in the DLC character roster, I personally don’t think the Jennerit one is going to be another, unless they really want to give the game a lot of…support.

#112

Ehh could be at a different time