#12

In my opinion sheā€™s perfect whenever I play Deande I get 8+ kills with little to no deaths. I never have an issue with dmg or taking out my targets. I mostly play incursion btw.

#13

I disagree with everything you said. First of all her speed is relatively good ontop of the fact she has a clone/cloak, secondly her ult is fantastic for looking down enemies it should be used more for control and less of an execute. When the enemies are stunned your team should take advantage and dish out as much dmg as possible. 3.) If you think she has a low dmg output Iā€™m afraid you are mistaken.

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#14

That I can agree upon, I donā€™t want her hotbox to be like rath or galilea( which in my opinion doesnā€™t take much skill to land, I like that itā€™s relatively small emphasizing the need to practice her as a character.

#15

I am so upset that still havenā€™t addressed her melee hitbox in the latest patch.

#16

Thereā€™s nothing wrong with her ult imo. You drop the holo on a 2/3 life character stealth behind and charge while still in stealth which will kill almost anyone (except tanks) especially if they are solo. If youā€™re trying to do it in the open youā€™re asking to get interrupted.

She has a speed helix. which also helps set up her ult even quicker since you can sneak around faster.

#17

Except that using her ult drops you out of stealth. Yes they might miss you because you show up suddenly. But you are now visible and vulnerable for a good amount of time before and after you use it.

#19

She needs a horizontal melee hitbox increase and movement speed buff.

Helix movement speed option is unreliable and outshined at that tier anyway. And having a movement speed increase that relies on kills doesn;t help at all when your target can walk backwards and attack you faster than you can walk forward and attack them. Start out next to a marquis at the gate and watch how much faster he pulls away from you running.

In general characters walking backwards and attacking should suffer a larger movement penalty than characters walking forwards and attacking.

Something like:

Sprinting - 120% move speed

Moving without attacking - 100%

Moving forward and attacking - 90%

Strafing and attacking - 80%

Moving backwards and attacking - 75%

Or something to that effectā€¦

#20

I donā€™t like her ultimate because aoe can blow her up during it. It already does a tiny amount of damage. Why can Oscar mike throw a grenade and kill me during it.

#21

Oscar Mike is just a powerful character in general. Way too easy to be effective with.

#22

My main problem w/ it is that you seem to be able to take damage from either the position you were originally in (from AoE) or from where you are in close proximity around your target or targets (which results in several weird instakills in PvE when used on certain boss characters).

Itā€™s not a great skill to begin with: it seems to be a group stun, but in that regard itā€™s worse than Kelvinā€™s basic skill Sublimate, which allows greater control & is mostly unavoidable; it seems like youā€™d want to use it from stealth & that would make it effective, but triggering it takes you out of stealth for the interminably long windup. If the stars align you can use it to effectively lock down several major enemies/players in teammatesā€™ AoE nuke, or more often you can surprise attack someone from behind to take them down from low health (more fitting of the ā€˜assassinā€™ role), but in that case itā€™s just kind of another burst dash thatā€™s even more situational. Itā€™s one of those ults that just feels like a third ability.

#23

Iā€™m not sure but it seems the more enemies caught the less damage done to each.

#24

mm i believe i killed her while she was in the process of using her ultimate i think they should fix that if anything. :kissing_smiling_eyes:

#25

this is true. itā€™s 500 damage divided by the number of players caught: so max is 500 if only one enemy is caught, min is 100 if 5 enemies are caught

#26

That is awful. I donā€™t think any other ult is penalised for hitting more than 1 target.

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#27

Yeah I think if they are going to do that it should be increased to 1000 damage.

#28

That is a bit much especially if you only get 1 target.

I just think that it should be maybe at least 300 minimum to each and going up to the max on a single target, as they do get stunned incapacitated at the same time.

#29

On average, I suck as Deande despite my best efforts and love for the character concept. What I have noticed is that I have much more success when I actually forget about using her ultimate ability altogether vs. when I try to utilize it in my plan of attack.

#30

Does anyone else find her kind of useless in completing objectives and clearing minions??

I used her for the first time last night. Seems more of a team fighter which isnā€™t the point of the game per say, she could use a movement, slight attack, and change her charge up as its not very effective imo.

#31

Yeah, Iā€™ve been having a hard time with her in capture. I was going to give up on her, till I saw people talking about how great she was in a thread yesterday. The said she was a ā€˜game changerā€™ and was just as good/important to a team as Alani. Which is weird cuz just last game my last death was against a weakened Alani, and I donā€™t see how I could have possibly beaten her at all. So, iā€™ll admit I suck with her, but I still donā€™t see her being as important to a team as Alani, or really almost every other character. Maybe Iā€™m supposed to only go after almost dead enemies? But that doesnā€™t make sense cuz they can just out run meā€¦but i luv her concept and really want to get good with her.

#32

Just wonderingā€¦Iā€™m a Master of Deande and am well aware of her Ult problemsā€¦
But what I do to overcome those problems is make sure my clone is ready before using it.
This works great for attack on the first part of Helio in Advanced mode, you need to hit hard and back away.
Soā€¦Use the Ult when itā€™s needed but make sure your Clone is ready, then use it when you come out of the ult.
I stay alive and dish out the dmg with this. And yes, I like her the way she is but Iā€™d change that Ult bit.