#130

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#131

I belive if is about dmg toby>thorn>marquis

#132

Yeah, but Marquis is instant and easier to get crits with is why I’m on the it’s mostly fine side

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#133

Toby’s área of impact is bigger making crits easier for me.

Marquis dmg increases with attack speed Sincé toby and thorn are not affected by it (unless Ernest)

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#134

It is but whatever

#135

so following your own logic you’re going to agree marquis doesn’t need a damage buff because everyone is saying that to you right?

@dantesolar me and @viraforti both tested, toby railgun does not scale with attack speed at all(used 3 ernests with us so there’d have been a difference)

and also https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18T8VNgX6iNLhPq30lj7dXppVjzoNcc6fTD6KTwXGDWo/htmlview#

here is the information on DPS and attack speed. perhaps you’ll find something there for a reasoned discussion

@Tokesy97 thank you very much for confirming that marquis’ DPS at least is correct scoped(no reason to doubt but it does help remove any doubts about the accuracy of the battleborn bible even though it was says it was updated November 10th )

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#136

Rly Ernest egg is bugged again? Sometimes it happens, it should increas toby and thorn attack speed and reyna alt fire but sometimes it dosent and actually slow reyna alt fire!

#137

but toby charging speed doesn’t change based on attack speed I thought…that’s what the testing supported at least

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#138

Im sure it did… I tested it when Ernest was new and needed a toby D: maybe im crazy… Or was only my perception.

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#139

i’d recommend doing a private match with 4 ernests with one toby. if attack speed boosts it then it will most assuredly show.

#140

If memory serves, Toby’s railgun charge time isn’t affected by it. A few other characters with chargeable attacks (like Thorn) aren’t affected either.

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#141

Marquis can easily take down Toby (in fact I think he’s one of the biggest counters to Toby) or any character with a big crit spot, such as Ernest, ISIC, Miko et cetera. The only things that need fixing on Marquis are his reveal owls that go through walls and have a huge AoE and some shots that are randomly missing even though you clearly hit the target.

#142

Yeah that’s true, what I don’t know is, as an aoe, if it hits the crit and the body will it automatically be a crit? And good point, Marquis can take damage/speed/crit while others can’t.

#143

Yeah, attack speed doesn’t affect charge time. That includes ISIC

#144

I’ve had those problems too. When I shoot it’ll sometimes won’t register and I’m not even lagging.

#145

Fine, he’s average.

Now, answer my question.

#146

lol i couldn’t stop laughing after the first fifty or so posts that went along the lines of a constructive argument followed by “no, needs a buff”. Not trying to hate, but it was just too amusing.

Anyway I’ve seen a few good marquis players on PS4. I don’t remember them off the top of my head, but I’ve seen what they can do. If you play like them (however that is, I don’t know) then he doesn’t need a buff.

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#147

“Average” is honestly the ideal place for a character. Not too strong or too weak.

#148
  • The base Owl doesn’t do all that much damage for 7 levels and it can be destroyed easily causing it to deal no damage.
  • The 720 AoE used to be much less comparatively to other AoEs in this game, and essentially got buffed from the sheer fact other characters in the game were made much worse. It is also only available at level 8 and has the smallest radius of any AoE skill in the game considering 'Fire Walk with Me" creates 5.
  • The reveal is really only strong because of it’s ability to unrightfully screw over one character. Yeah it’s sorta bad for 3 other characters, but at that point it’s better to pick one of the other 2 options on that tier. Arguing that a skill is strong because it counters 1 out of the 29 characters does not make it strong, as it does nothing to the other 25 characters.
  • And because of their shortish deployment range, slow travel time, and AI targeting system; it is quite easy to have them damage an unintentional target. Or disappear into the void because the target they selected died before they detonated.

And I think you put too much weight into a 6 second AoE slow that has a slowish deploy time. Not saying it’s a bad skill, but to say you think his damage is fine because of it, is going a bit too far IMO.

I’ll keep my biased opinions on Bindleblast to myself, but just remember that it has a 80 second cooldown. Which is about 35% longer than similar, potentially more powerful Ults.

The other snipers in this game have much stronger AoE skills, and they have them that way from level 1.

  • Thorn has no impact damage, but she has better CC/utility and much higher damage a second.
  • Toby has much much better CC, has better damage per second, deploy range, and helix options. As well as the same “impact damage”. Toby deals 176 damage a second for 8 seconds at level 10 without helix choices.

Marquis can stack his, but they can be killed or set off early. Even in bot matches I almost never set up all 5 in one “optimal” spot.

His skills aren’t bad, but they aren’t good enough to warrant his primary having lower damage. He has always been the sniper built around his primary for me, while Thorn is built around skills, and Toby is the two sided coin that causes you to either get bullied all game or rip the opposing team 3 new ■■■■■■■■ each.

This makes no sense, you act as if gear is exclusive to him.

I’ll reserve from sharing my opinions as I said I wouldn’t for a while, and I don’t feel I’d gain any traction in this thread (not that most of my opinions do anyway).

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#149

How do you feel about his hoot of the vigilant,I use it all the time since I play a territorial marquis

Thread derailment posts here please!